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Dear friends,
I am glad to see that my blog has practically become a live debate of people’s views on sexuality from all over the world.
Of recent, a group called YUVA has challenged my movement and sent a letter to the police / various politicians and, can you believe it, to the Pope as well (from what I’ve heard) to take action against me. I have only one thing to say to them... I am a motivator and an activist; I am here to do things with love and peace. India is the world’s largest democracy and just like they are expressing their views, other people also have the right to express their views and practice their basic fundamental rights. In case they forgot, the list is mentioned / available in any 5th grade civics book. However, let me refresh their memories with a few fundamental rights... especially those that apply to my movement...
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I have created a community on itimes to stand up for equal rights for gay community
Join my petition to the health ministry to have Section 377 amended
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RIGHT TO EQUALITY
Equality before law: Article 14 of the Constitution guarantees that all citizens shall be equally protected by the laws of the country. It means that the State cannot discriminate against a citizen on the basis of caste, creed, colour, SEX, religion or place of birth.
Social equality and equal access to public areas: Article 15 of the Constitution states that no person shall be discriminated on the basis of caste, colour, language etc. Every person shall have equal access to public places like public parks, museums, wells, bathing ghats and temples, etc.
RIGHT TO FREEDOM
The Constitution of India contains the right to freedom, given in Articles 19, 20, 21 and 22, with the view of guaranteeing individual rights that were considered vital by the framers of the Constitution. The right to freedom in Article 19 guarantees the following six freedoms: Freedom of speech and expression, which enable an individual to participate in public activities. The phrase “freedom of press” has not been used in Article 19, but freedom of expression includes freedom of press. Freedom to assemble peacefully without arms, on which the State can impose reasonable restrictions in the interest of public order and the sovereignty and integrity of India.
CULTURAL & EDUCATIONAL RIGHTS
All minorities, religious or linguistic, can set up their own educational institutions in order to preserve and develop their own culture. In granting aid to institutions, the State cannot discriminate against any institution on the basis of the fact that it is administered by a minority institution.
RIGHT TO CONSTITUTIONAL REMEDY
Right to constitutional remedies empowers the citizens to move a court of law in case of any denial of the fundamental rights.
Once again, thanks to many supporters (especially iTimes), my best friend Indu (who people think is my mystery man), all my fans — especially 12-year-old Astangla who wrote to me by postcard from Kohima to tell me she understands me... thank you all for making this possible.
I took out time to research points which bother the non-supporters and here they are: I welcome more feedback from people who have constructive points to offer...
So let’s begin with what exactly is Section 377....
Section 377 of Indian Penal Code basically bans gay sex and has to be amended/overturned as this law has been used to systematically persecute, blackmail arrest and terrorize sexual minorities.
The legislation was introduced by British colonial authorities and does not reflect on Hindu cultural values. Section 377 was drafted as early as 1860 and it reads as follows: “Whoever voluntarily has carnal intercourse against the order of nature with any man, woman or animal shall be punished with imprisonment which may extend to ten years, and shall also be liable to fine.”
The irony about this law is that it is a British colonial relic... and while the Brits have changed their homosexuality related legislation, we in India are still clinging on to it for our lives. This section was introduced by British in India in 1860s but this act has been repealed in England quite a long time back. In fact, it is like the drainage system of Bombay that the Brits made back in colonial times and we’re still using!
People, people, people... answer one question please... just because there are many serious patients in the ICU of a hospital, should the medication to lesser serious patients be terminated? I know it would be great for most of you if I very diplomatically took up a “nice little Miss Universe cause” (having been one by the way). Well... you do - you’re damned, you don’t do - you’re damned ... in that case, dearies, I would rather DO and be damned. Well for those who don’t know me I am not your typical diplomatic, living for world peace sort of beauty queen. I do not believe in clicking pictures with less fortunate children to get my next endorsement. I believe actions speak louder then words, especially when it comes to activism of many sorts. I am a ninja in an evening gown, non-appreciators have just to live with it.
Being gay is not a western / new concept. Homosexuality has existed since the homo erectus became homo sapien. In fact, according to zoologists, homosexual behaviour is seen in over 1,500 species of animals. Many societies, including classical Greece and Rome, ancient China and pre-colonial America had accepted homosexuality as a part of every day life. In ancient Greece, sex between men was not uncommon and was considered a natural part of the socialisation process. The term “army of lovers” also comes from this period. Each man in the army had a male partner who fought beside him in battle. The idea being that an army of lovers would fight to protect each other more fiercely than a regular army. While in some tribes in Papua New Guinea when a woman is pregnant her husband will have sex with other men. Furthermore in certain African tribes homosexual men are honoured so highly they are given the right to perform religious acts normally reserved for priestesses.
If we look at the origins of the European Judeo-Christian culture we can see that homosexuality has been attacked to a greater or lesser extent from about the 17th century BC. At this time the Jews were returning from exile in Babylon. Until then, homosexuality had been associated with the rituals of many religions. The Jews were afraid that their culture would be absorbed into the surrounding peoples and thus developed a series of laws that separated them from their neighbours. These laws became the Book of Leviticus in the Old Testament.
One of the practices that was changed to create a sense of national identity was that homosexuality was banned.
So far this is what ‘I’ know historically about homosexuality ...more to come soon from my further research.
Many people have commented on rape and pedophilia related to homosexuality... rape and pedophilia come out of only demented minds, not homosexuals. In the same way just like every straight man is not a rapist neither is every homosexual a pedophile.
Surveys have identified few pedophiles among homosexuals. Furthermore, while surveys show that victims of child sexual abuse are more likely to be girls (La Fontaine, 1990), nevertheless boys are a large minority of victims. One of the few exceptions to this trend is Gebhard and Gagnon’s (1964) finding that only 12% of victims under five years of age were males — closer to the generally accepted adult homosexuality rate. Significantly, a fifth of those who offended against such young children also had sexual contacts with animals, which led to the interpretation that such offenders were polymorphic — largely undifferentiating as to sexual object. In the light of this: “It is likely that the development of partner sex preference and age preference are not independent of each other and that sex preference in pedophilia is etiologically different from the sex preference of males who prefer physically mature partners of either sex.” (Freud et at., 1984, p. 198)
On the grounds that pedophilia is uncommon in women, they argue that the mechanism may be physiological in nature, but that is just one of the possibilities.
Some hold, with good reason, that adult homosexuality is a negative indicator of pedophilia. That is, unless a homosexual has a history of pedophile activity with children, he is unlikely to offend against children under any circumstances:
Experts in children related sexual offences say, “In over 12 years of clinical experience working with child molesters, we have yet to see any example of a regression from an adult homosexual orientation. The child offender who is also attracted to and engaged in adult sexual relationships is heterosexual. It appears, therefore, that the adult heterosexual male constitutes a greater sexual risk to underage children than does the adult homosexual male.” (Groth and Birnbaum, 1978, pp. 180-181).
Hopefully the above views clear a lot of misunderstandings but I would like to say it takes many different people to make a community and just because of one offender it’s unfair to make the entire community responsible for the crime.
If two adults out of consent want to live their lives together then why should a third party get offended? In what way does a gay union disrupt our regular lives? At least people are getting together for love and not for war and for using religion to harm innocent people. The first country to allow same-sex couples to enter into legally recognized marriage was the Netherlands, effective in 2001. Since then, six other countries and seven US states have followed suit, though voters in California revoked it. Additionally, Israel, the US state of New York and Washington DC recognize legal same-sex marriages from other jurisdictions but do not perform their own.
To think of same sex marriage is of utmost importance because as a human right every one has the right to “have a family” and if two people are capable of creating a loving environment, why not. According to certain bloggers, they say gay marriages will cause population to decrease (some were worried about extinction as well), because marriage is meant to procreate. Consider this. If there is a necessary link between marriage and procreation, strange consequences would follow. A state could and, to be consistent, should prohibit marriage in which one or both partners are sterile or impotent. If procreation is the essential goal of marriage, why should postmenopausal women be allowed to marry? Surely, discrimination against sterile, impotent, or aged couples would be unacceptable to citizens of many different perspectives. The rationale would be that marriage serves functions that are as important as, if not more important than, procreation, including interpersonal commitment, religious or moral expression, sexual satisfaction, and the legal entitlements associated with spouse-hood. If elderly, sterile, or impotent couples cannot be denied the right to marry because of a traditional link between marriage and procreation, neither can lesbian or gay couples be denied the right for that type of reason.
Come on people, why are we finding silly reasons to hate? Here I am spending hours on trying to convince you to accept and not reject. My reason to speak on this platform is to invoke passion for your fellow beings... that’s it. Nobody wants you to change your sexual preference, nobody wants you to start embracing an alternate way of living, I just want you to be nice. It’s ok if you do not support the cause but that doesn’t give you a reason to hate...
Remember ...
“God does not command that we do great things, only little things with great love.”
— Mother Teresa
Deepak Kumar: Thra - Lets continue on the other blog - ha ha ha ! You still make me laugh with your value system.
Posted on Mon, 21 Sep, 2009 Report abuse
Thra M:
@ deepak: You can laugh? I wonder if you can smile at another. You are simple hate personified in the guise of your religion.
Yes, you are so deep in your tunnel, that even if the whole world changed you would be murmuring your 'hate' to yourself.
You are a sad descirption of how people attempt to be God's broker and then spread hate against others. Your non-stop repeat of the same words needs the same response:
@Deepak: You know your approach against Gays is a failure. Because it has lead to no-good anywhere in the world. All you have achieved with it is more hate and more hate. You should re-think if you really mean good besides mis-understanding & mis-representing God and the roles he has given people.
I do not see you as benevolent, humble or tolerant YET - you can of course keep repeating that to yourself if you like. What''s the point in being straight if you cannot translate that to love for other people and understanding and respect for their words? Do you check if everyone you meet and talk to in your life is Gay or not first? Or do you listen to peope only if they are Christain? Just being straight makes you no special person and monopolise someone else's heart.
You will not touch my heart with your insults . Until you see the love that lies there
Deepak Kumar:
Thra - 'Providing anything valuable ? ' - you surely make me laugh. Providing the Gay philosophy is valuable ? since when ? and who needs that any ways. Life's just too good without it so why and what do I need to add to my Life ?
I repeat, your sermons on Love are nothing but a selfish approach/mindset to fulfill your carnal and only carnal desires; nothing else. Its you who's fond of and looking into the deep dug tunnel. Gays have been a stigma and shall remain so, no matter how much you try to justify.
Thra M:
Mr. Deepak, its no point providing anything valuable to you for you as I said to you - you are stuck up - and will repeat your one-sided & misleading judgements - irrespective of the other person's attempt at communicating. You really think I believe its worth discussing you any more? As I told you before the only reason I respond to you is to counter your hate and misleading imaginations.
You are creating darkness by judging people without letting their word stand for themselves & allow understanding. And suddenly raise the alarm when someone judges you back. The light is not hurting me - its hurting you, for you are not used to looking outside your deep dug tunnel. You have made it deep for yourself, but it keeps you blind to so much you need to learn.
You need to change you approach badly whether you want to do 'good' to others or let 'good' happen to yourself.
Deepak Kumar:
Thra - The problem is You dont realise that you need a support system and badly. That's why you are borrowing from my comments coz you have nothing more to offer except your distorted philosophies.
You try to recollect. Long time back I said "Now I Know you" . I do know you Thra..very well and recognise you too. Its you who's living in darkness and needs to see light. But you know what problems you are facing ? After living in darkness for so long, now the light is hurting you; its bound too. you've slept too long and have been dreaming all the wrong stuff....WAKE UP !
Thra M: @Deepak: Cannot recognise? This is the level you have been operating on all along. Pity you cannot see that. But if you choose to non-stop insult , via your one-sided & mis-leading arguments of my 'being' why are you upset when you face the similar treatment?
Posted on Thu, 17 Sep, 2009 Report abuseDeepak Kumar: Thra: Petty ! This is what you come down to ? well...pity !
Posted on Thu, 17 Sep, 2009 Report abuseThra M: People in India detest Christains telling others what to belief simply because its in their book. All my Non-Christians friends do and even many Christains too. We do know such Christains but we are always trying to counsel them and lots of them have changed their ways. That's why I am putting so much time with you. So, Till You change keep.....whatever
Posted on Wed, 16 Sep, 2009 Report abuse
Thra M:
Read this again:
@ Deepak: You can keep repeating yourself and your one-sided perceptions, but you can never take out the fact that I feel love, love and am loved. You have something happening in your head and your life- but that is not me.
Specific Christains like you have perfected the art of demonising innocent people for ages - and that's exactly the case with you. Hows that for generalisation - just in line with your views about me? You have freed this dialogue through your irrational dialogue.
No, people in India, in general, do not hate like you. A 'mob' may, but not people who get to know you. You have it all wrong. I have lived enough as a Gay person in the country to know that.
Deepak Kumar:
Thra - Love, you dont know. Lust, you do as you've proved it by being a gay. In case you want to prove love, try abstinence, if not being straight and then we'll talk. Till then keep chanting....no use.
Christians have not just perfected but we are the only people who recognise Demons; howzzat ! And this has been proved time and again, even in the Bible. Go Look and then we'll talk. Till then keep generalising.....
People in India detest gays and this culture. All my Non-Christians friends do. We do know gays but we are always trying to counsel them and lots of them have changed their ways. That's why I am putting so much time with you. So, Till You change keep.....whatever
Thra M:
@ Deepak: You can keep repeating yourself and your one-sided perceptions, but you can never take out the fact that I feel love, love and am loved. You have something happening in your head and your life- but that is not me.
Specific Christains like you have perfected the art of demonising innocent people for ages - and that's exactly the case with you. Hows that for generalisation - just in line with your views about me? You have freed this dialogue through your irrational dialogue.
No, people in India, in general, do not hate like you. A 'mob' may, but not people who get to know you. You have it all wrong. I have lived enough as a Gay person in the country to know that.
Deepak Kumar:
Thra: Religion and morals help us decipher what is good and bad. so, we decide what to own and what to disown and all the religions detest gayism. So I am just following the decree of my Father in heaven. You may say what you want, it does not matter a bit to me or people like me.
A person in love with himself and his/her carnal desires does not know or understand anything and that's exactly the case with you. Keep on repeating your statements on Love - which is fake, distorted and hypocratic. You just dont know what Love is all about.
Thra M:
And you forgot to respond to this one. Go back to your post which implied so:
' So, you agree Hinduism is not man-made and its by God? Curious to hear that from you.'
Thra M:
And Deepak since you are not listening Read my earlier post again. And practise your one-sided perceptions again in reponse :
@Deepak: You know your approach against Gays is a failure. Because it has lead to no-good anywhere in the world. All you have achieved with it is more hate and more hate. You should re-think if you really mean good besides mis-understanding & mis-representing God and the roles he has given people.
I do not see you as benevolent, humble or tolerant YET - you can of course keep repeating that to yourself if you like. What''s the point in being straight if you cannot translate that to love for other people and understanding and respect for their words? Do you check if everyone you meet and talk to in your life is Gay or not first? Or do you listen to peope only if they are Christain? Just being straight makes you no special person and monopolise someone else's heart.
You will not touch my heart with your insults . Until you see the love that lies there
Thra M: @Deepak: You are hateful & that is the biggest disease you are spreading and it gets even worse because you do it in the name of religion. Specific people like you are not welcome by most. You can keep assuming otherwise. But majority of people know what I am saying and can understand.
Posted on Tue, 15 Sep, 2009 Report abuse
Deepak Kumar:
Thra: People who spread Disease (intentionaly) and propogate Filth & Lust are more dangerous and detestable.
Talking about Middle-east, shunning and abhoring Gays is definitely the brightest law; as for Christians, they do accept Christ albeit the doctrine is different, so don't even talk about it please coz you dont know anything about it. At least they are honest about the system they follow unlike America and India, who, by allowing gays have shown how hypocratic and distorted their so called Democracy could get. But then even in America and India a majority is against gays. Conclusion:- Every nation/region has got their pros & cons, merits & demerits. So, Thra, never generalise as this could get you in lot of trouble.
Thra M:
Deepak: People who spread hate are not Accepted. The world is trying to tell you exactly that. Your best friends are in the Middle-East. They have some of the brightest laws for Gays & Christains like you too. Unlike the sick laws of India which tolerate you and me.
Have a nice day.
Deepak Kumar: Thra: That's what we are debating about. I definitely Do Not Accept gays coz that's something gross and Not required in a civilised society. This is exactly what the entire is world (barring a few whose minds are sick) is trying to tell - Gays are not Accepted.
Posted on Mon, 14 Sep, 2009 Report abuse
Thra M:
@Deepak: And you have accepted it in your heart that I am not the person in your head... but you are reluctant to come out with it for you are written not to accept Gays.
And yes you are replying to every post, but you are replying to the person in 'Your Head', not to me! All the best...



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Thra M: @Deepak: If you really laugh in a happy way, I am glad.
Posted on Tue, 22 Sep, 2009 Report abuse