Topic owner: Gurneet Soni: I have been in Australia a long time now. I have seen a lot of changes take place in all the communities. IT will be unfair to tag Australians as rascists. Not to deny the presence of a group of people who pass nasty and unwelcome comments to other communities. They are not just directed to Indians but to all other migrants. We have to understand that this is coming from people who do not have the luxury of a formal education or a learning backround. They are a bunch of hooligans who just want trouble. If not indians they will get involved with some one else and may be other aussies. I have been a Taxi driver, a waiter , a security guard, a factory worker , an admin worker, door to door salesperson and now sucessfully running a marketing channel. I have had hundreds of thousands of conversations with a lot of aussies. I have been abused a few times. But I chosse to put it behind me and move on as I know that I will not see these ignorent people ever again. What I am saying is that we have a choice. If some one is asking for a fight, walk away. Do not get involved. Look at the big picture. Finish your studies. And make something out of your life. Don't loose focus.
Vic Bullfrog
Brad Myers is a bitter twisted kind of a guy who looks to blame someone or everyone for all his shortcomings. He is probably not even married (if he is, his wife is probably seeing someone else at same time).
What are you doing on this bog mate? Didn't you read the heading? Where does it say blog for pissed off cranky aussies like you to come and post messages?
You have a disease called "short man syndrome".
Do everyone a favour - stay off the blog. I am sure you can find blogs that are meant for pricks like you, leaving comments like yours.
Anjan Lal
You're so right. Ignore Brad, he's a dumb racist prick who doesn't have any ide what he's talking about. I'm a student of Health Administration and have studied the health industry extensively. Australia has undergone a major crisis since the the past 40 years. There's shortage of nurses, doctors, community healthcare practitioners and workers to help work with thousdands of rural and urban Australians. Luckily, Indians and various Southeast Asian countries have filled up these vacant positions because of which the fears of a crisis aren't gradually diminishing.
Given the fact that Dr. Jayant Patel killed 80 or so patients was a big setback for Indians. But, Brad should get his facts right before passing comments that are racist and ignorant. His whole game here is to kick out all internationals out of the country and make Australia a country with 100% non-white population. Can I ask Brad, what has he done over the years for the depleating health of indigineous people in Northern Territory and Queensland? Probably nothing. Before he got the Indian doctors working with him, did he vigorously check their CVs or not. I think Brad deserves to be kicked out of our planet. I'm sorry to say this but, its bugs like him who're responsible for the increasing levels of swine flu across rural Australia. And one more thing Brad: Get out of our Blog! You're Aussie and dumb, who doesn't care or know what multiculturalism is and that we Indians help constitute that in a big way with our higher education, plethora of qualifications and international exposure without which Australia would have succumbed to the global pressures long time back. Brad, please check with all Indians and internationals serving the medical industry. If they're blatant liars, you're most welcome to call a protest to get them out of your isolated country, where racist and backward bloaks like you are considered nonexistent. You've not come to reality and continue to live in the Stone Age. You should perhaps travel to India and see the transformation, which will shun all your ignorant beliefs because we're a proud nation with a billion people, more than 900 linguist languages, ethnicities, wildlife, history, culture, siginifican landmarks and progressive people all of which cannot be found in Australia.
Obama's call to Indians, Chinese and Japanese means that he sees us to be more significant than Australians. Where will Australia stand tomorrow if all migrant workers leave for other countries? Brad, you can abuse me racially, verbally, whatever suits you, but you can't break something and that's the great Indian spirit. We're proud to be in Australian universities representing our vast land and have integrated tremendously in terms of sharing common knowledge, which will make Australia's partnership with India to be the strongest in the future.
Amit Khan
In a democracy , it seems that each individual has the (sic) right to hold prejudice against a particular group. You are holding it against Indians, and thats ok , most of us are dealing with it. The point I wish to make is that , you are not required to veil your racism by putting forward impotent accusations such as "Indians" are taking our jobs, vis-a-vis "Indians" are stealing all our university places .
We all know Jayant Patel, but what about the other thousand's' Indian doctors who are practising legally. I do not notice any complaints from rural Australia, where the Indians and other overseas doctors are working, because no one else wants to work there. So stop GENERALISING, because sincerely Australia will lose a lot of talented individuals .
However based on you previous comments, I guess you would prefer anyone but an Indian, and we don't care too, because there are many broad minded employers around for all of us.
Brad Myers
I am an employer and have employed over 60 people in the last year in the pharmaceutical industry. We have had to introduce strict testing during our employment interviews because of the large number of Indians who blatently lie about there qualifications, and produce fake certificates that they had paid for. We are now very strict with all Indian students and check them out very thoroughly. In fact most Australians are now reluctant to hire Inians at all, because of there well documented history of lying to get jobs.
Why do you feel the need to lie? If you were getting jobs based on your merits, I would have no problem.
This is why there is an underlying hate towards Indian students in Australia. You are cheating my fellow Australians. Sure some of you don't lie, but such a large number do that it has painted all Indians with the same brush, and the only people to blame for that are Indians.
I agree that my comments are racist. Deal with it.
Google Dr Jayant Patel, he lied about his qualifications as a doctor, and has been responsible for the deaths of many Australians. This is one example of MANY.
Anjan Lal
I think your comments are extremely racist against international students studying in your country. You should proud of the fact that today because of us Indians and Asians, your country has actually slipped out of recession. In addition, Australia ranks ahead of the USA and UK in the education industry. As an education provider, Australia has given us international students several opportunities. Let me clear you on one fact and that's we as international students are here for the exposure. We have not intention of stealing jobs from the locals. If that's a threat in your eyes, you should have a look at thes statistics indicating figures of the number of nurses, doctors, dentists, accountants, chefs and hairdressers. If international students did not fill up those spaces, Australia would have been doomed. In no way, does Australia have the capability to compete amongst the 20 OECD countries without the immense contributions being made by Indians and Chinese.
International figures today prove that India, China, Mexico, Brazil and Chile produce the highest pool of productive labour workforce. These people are working in developed countries to learn from their economic systems and how effectively could they implement such frameworks for developing countries. Its highly crucial for both developed and developing countries to work together. Unless there is no convergence because of racial discrimination, jealousy and overconfidence amongst the developed world, we international students will leave in peace. Our countries in the developing world have become the economic propellants for the future. Australia has in many ways learnt to develop its strategic partnerships with Asia in terms of economic development and progress.
In my strongest opinion, as a Master's student in a highly reputed Austraian university, it is people like you are causing the harm to the system. You may not want any international to come to your country because of your narrow and obsolete views. Today, the world is changed and India and China account for the highest economic stability in the world.
If you think that as Indians, we are threatening to leave Australia in the wake that it will benefit you, you should perhaps think twice before making such comments. You have no idea what the future will be for Australia without international students and migrant workers working in Australia's multicultrual business environment. India's economic progress as a second world country have made it an economic giant where we welcome people from the developed world to come and work with us in conjunction. India takes the pledge to help developed countries such as Australia and USA towards a more sustainable world free from any climatic changes. My advice to you is be realistic and welcoming towards international students. Your statements are coming too late. Perhaps, if they were made three years in advance, we would have never in our lives thought of Australia as an ideal country to study in.
Amit Khan
Brad , The fact that you have associated yourself to the drug addicts or the troubled teenagers who have been bashing these "Indians" as your fellow Australians is a reflection of your own personality.
Even I am a bit concerned with the number of unscruplous Indian students washing on to this shore. Fair enough to raise your concern about them. However , you seem to go further with your comments to paint all Indians to be second rate and unwanter. Here in lies your real problem, because your comments reveal the lack of even basic economics. In this current era, Australia and India have a lot to gain by maintaining a friendly relationship. You may scoff on that remark, but you will end up eating dust mate! so change your attitude, upgrade your skilss, and compete fairly, because protectionism belongs to 19 th century, and people like you have to stop clinging to it or face the consequences.
Abijith Desai
Hey Brad, see you are right about a few points there, that too many Indian students in Australia, who lack basic civility. Fair enough, however I can detect an underlying fear in you post. You are worried that many comptent Indians are around you, who may take your job because you are not skilled enough! Welcome to globalization mate, the best gets the job. Its true that currently most Indians are doing menial jobs, but you would also notice that many Indians are very skilled and the list is only going to increase.
First , stop blaming that Indians are taking your uni places, because that is bullshit! The majority of Indians are enrolled with private educators( who are vile and those establishments need to be shut down), thus If you or your associate have been unable to get into Uni, it means you have not been able to compete among locals, so shut your trap there with regards to that matter!
Brad Myers
To the indian students, I am an Australian, and whilst I certainly do not condone the violence that you have experienced recently, I tell you this. Your threats to leave australia, we welcome with open arms. There are too many Indians in Australia who take our jobs (by lying about your qualifications) and our university places. We do not want you here, go home and do not come back. You are not welcome and you never were. If there are not enough jobs in your own country, or enough places to get an education, maybe you should stop breeding already!!!! You are ruining our planet with your selfish breeding habits.
You should come up with a better threat than "We will leave your country", because we all want you to leave, that would be fine with us and that is probably why your students are continue to be bashed. If all it takes to get you out of our country is some bashings, then that is most likely what my fellow country men will continue to do.
Yes, we are racists, there is no doubt about that. But I have been to India three times, and India is one of the most racist countries I have ever visited. Indians are 100 times more racist than Australians, so shut your mouths.
Anjan Lal
You are so true. What about all those Northeast Indians who're discriminated because in North India, people fear that they will grab all the jobs because of their excellent English language skills? Its hard for Indians to accept the harsh reality whilst living abroad and in no way does violence in Australia reflect racial discrimination. I understand that most Indian students and immigrants will be to differ on my opinion, but at the end of the day everyone needs to learn from their mistakes.
Racism in India has been since time immemorial and it will never go away. Its the same in the West. It will take time for Australians and New Zealanders to adapt to the overwhelming population of Indians who came to study and live in their countries. Astonishingly, most of the Indian students don't even enrol in courses with more Aussies and European students. They love sticking to each other for protection and as a means to avert racist remarks from the local public. How can you avoid racist remarks unless you don't blend with the locals? That should be the next big debate in India and our Indian agents need to work with foreign universities to teach prospective Indian students lessons in terms of adapting within Western societies. I think most Indians studying at university level don't have a problem with integrating with the local population because of which the local Australian students studying with them tend to be more open and welcoming. One thing you gotta understand and that's accepting the Western lifestyle otherwise, you'll not be accepted in anyway. In other words, Indian and even other Asian/Arab students must learn to adopt with thhe face that they're not simply moving overseas to migrate, but they have to interact and mix up with the locals.
Now, for example, if get a thousand Australian students in India and the end result is that they don't blend in with the local Indian population, it will bear the same consequences that are observable from the quality of living standards in most Western countries. Its been on for years and we're the ones responsible for all this racial segregation, which makes us racist and not the locals.
I sincerely sympathise with the internatiional students who were attacked, but you see again, why didn't they have any White or other international travelling with them at night. There are numerous reasons, which now the locals in Canada, Australia and New Zealand understand. The main reason being we as Indians will never assimilate and always remain ignorant about the very fact that we're in a Western world. I wish all the violence and prtoests disrupting local life in Melbourne and Sydney by the Indian diaspora stops and that they work in congruence with the police to ensure their safety for the future.
Sunny Solanki
It's better to concentrate on our ambition. I know we are struggling at some stage but don't worry guys. within 5 to 7 years our community will be at the same statge as chinese and no one be able to touch us. My concern is just not to make this issue like Media, it is not possible to get progress in india this days. so calm down and finish study then you will see the bigger picture and get different kind of confidenct. But i would definitely like to make a group so we can help our country's student to avoid this kind of circumstances. Aussie are not that racist as we think. what you think indians are not racist? just think about an aussie living in india alone as a normal person. WE ROB LIKE ANYTHING THAT YOU KNOW.
Me Vidushak
I have been living in aus for the past 16 years and have not experienced any form of racism or racist remarks directed towards me. The recent attacks on indian students in melbourne and sydney though unfortunate were opportunistic crimes. it could have been a chinese student or a normal family man returning from work late at night. I think adding a racism angle to these crimes attracts the media who have done nothing but inflame the situation and the media in india who have nothing better to do than sensationalize any news. Is there no racism in india ?? i ask. If there was none we would be living in harmony rather than the fighting between hindus and muslims, the upper class and the dalits. All these accusations about racism in australia are rubbish.
Anjan Lal
Times are changed. What needs to change is the Indian mindset, which begs to differ with the Aussie mindset. We're here for the study experience and enjoy that whilst travelling around Australia. I don't get it! Those vigilantes are third grade Indians (no offense to you though) looking for troublesome excuses to spoil India's wonderful image in Australia.
I totally agree with your statements and won't in anyway get involved in any fights or protests/Indian Dharnas (which shouldn't have come here in the first place). I'm into my third Master's and love the experience so much, that this is something that no one would get back home. I mean its not Indians alone, but most internationals coming from the developing world to earn PR/TR without mixing up. Not that's something Aussies see as a threat and hate to accept. I understand your views because they're positive reinforcements for us students who're well-experienced to follow the right paths. We've come here to represent a vibrant and modern nation with great values - INDIA. We have come from a country that gave birth to Mahatma Gandhi, Swami Vivekananada, Guru Nanak, Guru Gobind Singh and many others. I oppose violence in any form or the other. All we as Indians have to do is blend with Aussies and improve our country's image. Good luck friend with your future in Australia and thank you very much for sharing your positive thoughts on these issues.
http://www.itimes.com/view_video.php?cid =103306
How can we say act smart to this..its an outrage and a disgrace
What are you doing on this bog mate? Didn't you read the heading? Where does it say blog for pissed off cranky aussies like you to come and post messages?
You have a disease called "short man syndrome".
Do everyone a favour - stay off the blog. I am sure you can find blogs that are meant for pricks like you, leaving comments like yours.
Given the fact that Dr. Jayant Patel killed 80 or so patients was a big setback for Indians. But, Brad should get his facts right before passing comments that are racist and ignorant. His whole game here is to kick out all internationals out of the country and make Australia a country with 100% non-white population. Can I ask Brad, what has he done over the years for the depleating health of indigineous people in Northern Territory and Queensland? Probably nothing. Before he got the Indian doctors working with him, did he vigorously check their CVs or not. I think Brad deserves to be kicked out of our planet. I'm sorry to say this but, its bugs like him who're responsible for the increasing levels of swine flu across rural Australia. And one more thing Brad: Get out of our Blog! You're Aussie and dumb, who doesn't care or know what multiculturalism is and that we Indians help constitute that in a big way with our higher education, plethora of qualifications and international exposure without which Australia would have succumbed to the global pressures long time back. Brad, please check with all Indians and internationals serving the medical industry. If they're blatant liars, you're most welcome to call a protest to get them out of your isolated country, where racist and backward bloaks like you are considered nonexistent. You've not come to reality and continue to live in the Stone Age. You should perhaps travel to India and see the transformation, which will shun all your ignorant beliefs because we're a proud nation with a billion people, more than 900 linguist languages, ethnicities, wildlife, history, culture, siginifican landmarks and progressive people all of which cannot be found in Australia.
Obama's call to Indians, Chinese and Japanese means that he sees us to be more significant than Australians. Where will Australia stand tomorrow if all migrant workers leave for other countries? Brad, you can abuse me racially, verbally, whatever suits you, but you can't break something and that's the great Indian spirit. We're proud to be in Australian universities representing our vast land and have integrated tremendously in terms of sharing common knowledge, which will make Australia's partnership with India to be the strongest in the future.
We all know Jayant Patel, but what about the other thousand's' Indian doctors who are practising legally. I do not notice any complaints from rural Australia, where the Indians and other overseas doctors are working, because no one else wants to work there. So stop GENERALISING, because sincerely Australia will lose a lot of talented individuals .
However based on you previous comments, I guess you would prefer anyone but an Indian, and we don't care too, because there are many broad minded employers around for all of us.
Why do you feel the need to lie? If you were getting jobs based on your merits, I would have no problem.
This is why there is an underlying hate towards Indian students in Australia. You are cheating my fellow Australians. Sure some of you don't lie, but such a large number do that it has painted all Indians with the same brush, and the only people to blame for that are Indians.
I agree that my comments are racist. Deal with it.
Google Dr Jayant Patel, he lied about his qualifications as a doctor, and has been responsible for the deaths of many Australians. This is one example of MANY.
International figures today prove that India, China, Mexico, Brazil and Chile produce the highest pool of productive labour workforce. These people are working in developed countries to learn from their economic systems and how effectively could they implement such frameworks for developing countries. Its highly crucial for both developed and developing countries to work together. Unless there is no convergence because of racial discrimination, jealousy and overconfidence amongst the developed world, we international students will leave in peace. Our countries in the developing world have become the economic propellants for the future. Australia has in many ways learnt to develop its strategic partnerships with Asia in terms of economic development and progress.
In my strongest opinion, as a Master's student in a highly reputed Austraian university, it is people like you are causing the harm to the system. You may not want any international to come to your country because of your narrow and obsolete views. Today, the world is changed and India and China account for the highest economic stability in the world.
If you think that as Indians, we are threatening to leave Australia in the wake that it will benefit you, you should perhaps think twice before making such comments. You have no idea what the future will be for Australia without international students and migrant workers working in Australia's multicultrual business environment. India's economic progress as a second world country have made it an economic giant where we welcome people from the developed world to come and work with us in conjunction. India takes the pledge to help developed countries such as Australia and USA towards a more sustainable world free from any climatic changes. My advice to you is be realistic and welcoming towards international students. Your statements are coming too late. Perhaps, if they were made three years in advance, we would have never in our lives thought of Australia as an ideal country to study in.
Even I am a bit concerned with the number of unscruplous Indian students washing on to this shore. Fair enough to raise your concern about them. However , you seem to go further with your comments to paint all Indians to be second rate and unwanter. Here in lies your real problem, because your comments reveal the lack of even basic economics. In this current era, Australia and India have a lot to gain by maintaining a friendly relationship. You may scoff on that remark, but you will end up eating dust mate! so change your attitude, upgrade your skilss, and compete fairly, because protectionism belongs to 19 th century, and people like you have to stop clinging to it or face the consequences.
First , stop blaming that Indians are taking your uni places, because that is bullshit! The majority of Indians are enrolled with private educators( who are vile and those establishments need to be shut down), thus If you or your associate have been unable to get into Uni, it means you have not been able to compete among locals, so shut your trap there with regards to that matter!
You should come up with a better threat than "We will leave your country", because we all want you to leave, that would be fine with us and that is probably why your students are continue to be bashed. If all it takes to get you out of our country is some bashings, then that is most likely what my fellow country men will continue to do.
Yes, we are racists, there is no doubt about that. But I have been to India three times, and India is one of the most racist countries I have ever visited. Indians are 100 times more racist than Australians, so shut your mouths.
Racism in India has been since time immemorial and it will never go away. Its the same in the West. It will take time for Australians and New Zealanders to adapt to the overwhelming population of Indians who came to study and live in their countries. Astonishingly, most of the Indian students don't even enrol in courses with more Aussies and European students. They love sticking to each other for protection and as a means to avert racist remarks from the local public. How can you avoid racist remarks unless you don't blend with the locals? That should be the next big debate in India and our Indian agents need to work with foreign universities to teach prospective Indian students lessons in terms of adapting within Western societies. I think most Indians studying at university level don't have a problem with integrating with the local population because of which the local Australian students studying with them tend to be more open and welcoming. One thing you gotta understand and that's accepting the Western lifestyle otherwise, you'll not be accepted in anyway. In other words, Indian and even other Asian/Arab students must learn to adopt with thhe face that they're not simply moving overseas to migrate, but they have to interact and mix up with the locals.
Now, for example, if get a thousand Australian students in India and the end result is that they don't blend in with the local Indian population, it will bear the same consequences that are observable from the quality of living standards in most Western countries. Its been on for years and we're the ones responsible for all this racial segregation, which makes us racist and not the locals.
I sincerely sympathise with the internatiional students who were attacked, but you see again, why didn't they have any White or other international travelling with them at night. There are numerous reasons, which now the locals in Canada, Australia and New Zealand understand. The main reason being we as Indians will never assimilate and always remain ignorant about the very fact that we're in a Western world. I wish all the violence and prtoests disrupting local life in Melbourne and Sydney by the Indian diaspora stops and that they work in congruence with the police to ensure their safety for the future.
I totally agree with your statements and won't in anyway get involved in any fights or protests/Indian Dharnas (which shouldn't have come here in the first place). I'm into my third Master's and love the experience so much, that this is something that no one would get back home. I mean its not Indians alone, but most internationals coming from the developing world to earn PR/TR without mixing up. Not that's something Aussies see as a threat and hate to accept. I understand your views because they're positive reinforcements for us students who're well-experienced to follow the right paths. We've come here to represent a vibrant and modern nation with great values - INDIA. We have come from a country that gave birth to Mahatma Gandhi, Swami Vivekananada, Guru Nanak, Guru Gobind Singh and many others. I oppose violence in any form or the other. All we as Indians have to do is blend with Aussies and improve our country's image. Good luck friend with your future in Australia and thank you very much for sharing your positive thoughts on these issues.