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Red bastion of Bengal: Beginning of the end?
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Topic owner: Shashwati Ghosh: Thanks Laila for creating such a group!
Seeing the discussion forum empty I wanted to ask the members of the group this question.
If you see the result of last by-election, CPIM has failed to win a single seat. The few seats won by its ally Forward Block has been a face-saver for the ruling Left Front.
Going by the results of the last few elections (Panchayat election etc), it seems the end of left regime is imminent.
Are people in West Bengal looking for a change after 32 years?
Seeing the discussion forum empty I wanted to ask the members of the group this question.
If you see the result of last by-election, CPIM has failed to win a single seat. The few seats won by its ally Forward Block has been a face-saver for the ruling Left Front.
Going by the results of the last few elections (Panchayat election etc), it seems the end of left regime is imminent.
Are people in West Bengal looking for a change after 32 years?
Muhammad Hakim
I belongs to village area of west bengal. I have seen that the poor community of w.b. how supported since 1977. At the begining of the golden era of left rule, there was heartiest support of the villagers, which was the back bone of the leftiest. The time become the main poision for left leaders. Every comrade in a village is like a dictator king of the village. No one can speak a word against them. If they (the poor villagers) are alive, its only for media and vote behind it. Now they wake up and no any power in this universe which can survive left in power after next leg. Election.
Anuradha Jain
Although "winds of change" are blowing in Bengal, I do not think Mamta is a better alternative than CPM because she has no vision for Bengal. Her only goal is to dethrone CPM.
Trinamul activists are sure of coming to power in 2011 & hence are actively following arm twisting techniques perfected by CPM.
So what is the difference between CPM & Trinamul.
Bengal needs a dynamic leader who has clear blue print of the path Bengal needs to take for development & not someone who calls bandh at every moment.
Trinamul activists are sure of coming to power in 2011 & hence are actively following arm twisting techniques perfected by CPM.
So what is the difference between CPM & Trinamul.
Bengal needs a dynamic leader who has clear blue print of the path Bengal needs to take for development & not someone who calls bandh at every moment.
Prodyot Kumar Basu
It is true that the ‘communists’ and their remaining embodiment in the, so called, left front of West Bengal comprising of the gang of CPM, CPI, RSP, FB, etc., have been working hard for the last 30 years or so to destroy everything good about West Bengal, almost, turning the state into a laughing stock in the eyes of rest of the country, competing with states like Bihar. This left front worked tirelessly to promote ignorance, illiteracy, dishonesty, utter mediocrity, indiscipline, irresponsibility, gross violation of the rule of law, and above all political cronyism in everything they did. Almost all the government officers have been and still are their political cronies. To add to their support base, it appears that they turned blind eyes to hundreds and thousands of illegal immigration from across the eastern borders, illegally helping them to acquire legal status. In short, the left front has been enemy number one of the people of West Bengal. I hope that the people of the state has realized that it is not too late to get rid of this left front menace and try to restore the old glories that West Bengal was on many fronts and to enhance it on other fronts. What West Bengal needs is a visionary leadership with a clear sense of purpose and ability to create the right strategic plan for the state and implement it successfully. This will require highly qualified specialists (from within India and abroad) in different areas, with no party affiliation, to advise the ruling party leadership to achieve real success in these efforts. But the question remains, is Miss Mamta Banerjee, who often appears to be incoherent, confused, rudderless, and unpredictable along with her equally incompetent and unruly followers under the banner of Trinamul Congress is the answer. Without Mr. Pranab Mukherjee, who unfortunately is quite old; Congress Party is in the same situation as Miss Mamata Banerjee’s Party. It is high time for her to change her ways and start acting like a visionary states person who can do sustainable good to the state and the country, helping establish the rule of law, and creating the right atmosphere for both economic and intellectual prosperity. I wish that at this important juncture in the life of the state of West Bengal, the people of the state make the right decision for a future that will be much brighter than the present.
Rhea Singh Very well said. It is time that change came to W Bengal.
Ananda Chakraborty
Hello, if its about Politics then it doesn't matter who wins but if its about Future of My Motherland ,my West Bengal then its time for the public to renew the image of West Bengal in front of others who thinks West Bengal has 3 working days in a Week as last two days are Bandh always.This image has exempted West Bengal from getting the recongnition that even city like Noida has got but West Bengal hasn't and that is without "law n order and Bandh one state like U.P can have IBM,CSC,HCL,ADOBE etc and many Non-It companies(Numerous)"-West Bengal has few of the giants and not many operations of these giant companies are operated from West Bengal-I know cos I am in one of them.My dear friends please stop who ever the Government is and will be from deminishing as a state where cost of living is so low and affordability is prime.
G Sandip
Winds of Change :
Will a wind do ? I doubt. We need more than Aila. The deep roots of the tentacles of the Left Front machineries have gone into all the cells of Sonar Bangla. Name the areas - schools, colleges, police, government services, industries, so on and so forth and these are apart from the political machinery. Try to get into any one of these - most probably you will have to be a party cadre or pay heftily to the party or join the party.
What it has done ? The governance, teaching, productivity, attitude, business - all of these have taken the toll. The monolith it has created does not see any fault in itself just like in China or communist Russia. Their survival is based on conspiracy theory and creating an artificial divide in the society.
They abhor media, free information flow and economic centres. Information or lack of it was the main plank to keep their flock intact and subservient. That is why they were vehemently against privatizing TV channels, Computers, English, etc. They had kept the rural areas out of bound for independent external scrutiny. This helped them slowly eradicate any opposition through intimidation, killing, burning crops and houses, non-cooperation. Keep in mind that 85% votes are from rural areas. How good if it was 95% ? Unfortunately the advent of free media, computers, now phones and higher mobility of people put a huge constraint on their control.
They brought in changes in the land ceiling rules for others but not for themselves (mostly from East Pakistan). Yes they benefitted a big chunk of rural laborers and they found new freedom and friends. If I have to list one achievement, it is the Land reforms. Yes many have lost the lands but still more are liberated. What after that ? Go to the villages - believe me, you will find no roads, power, connectivity, schools, medical facilities in most of the places even after so many years of uninterrupted rule. And they call them champions of the poor !!!
Let us understand what the communism has replaced. It is the monarchy or dictatorship in most of the places. If it has replaced democracy anywhere, it was during the cold war period when country grabbing was a common phenomenon. Communism survives on the divide of poor and rich. It has vested interest in keeping that divide. The intellectuals intoxicated by the idealism of communist theory glossed over the biggest deficiency in communist theory – the human factor. Humans are by nature corrupt and a monolith being blind will only breed more and more corruption. This Government had vested interest is controlling information flow and choking economics (as independent economic centres are liberated zones, which goes against their principles). A militant union was the right therapy for that.
If government can give job and security to all – nothing ideal like that. But I am yet to see any. Whatever government sectors and services are there – most of them are crumbling down for the lack of efficiency, focus and in many cases because of corruption. And we have rich people like Ratan Tata, Ambani, Birla, etc. They are creating factories for employment. Forget about them – take any of us. Even we spend our money in food, household articles, gadgets, vehicles and also maids, etc. The money we spend, creates and sustains so many jobs and industries. We need rich people to generate more jobs and sustain industries. It is the rolling of the money which matters and not the rich and poor !!!
Consider the other sectors – infrastructure, education, health, agriculture, fishery, tourism, e-governance, industrialization, per-capita income, etc. I am sure Bengal has fallen in each of them with respect to the Sixties. It reminds me the article in the newspaper about the comment of a party leader. He introduce the vision generate mediocrity in all spheres and was not in favor of considering Dr. Amarya Sen as Professor !!!
Yes that is what we have today. Take all department, even the police – they are all mediocre. Today there is not enough job, not enough school, not enough medical facility, not enough roads, not enough transport, not enough urbanization – I can go on.
And the media debate on the protests from the villagers. They have taken help of the Maoist !!! Please let the people of that cursed land know how to protest, how to democratize, how to get their bare minimum rights to live, how to get anyone listen to them !!! All these years they have been muzzled by the cadres and their party machineries, the tentacles of which are so deep rooted. Tell those people till how long they should hold their patience if 32 years is not enough !!! It is a wonder that Left is being ththreatened by Ultra Left !!!! Such is their performance
We should understand the intensity of revolution is directly proportional to the extent of torture and the extent of the tentacles. It is not a gentlemen job. Then Chamberlin would have been enough for Hitler. England had to bring in a person called Curchill who can think in the same line as Hitler.
Recent elections have brought some hope in them. No, none of us can be a revolutionary but let us enjoy the winds of change and welcome the new era of Bengal.
Will a wind do ? I doubt. We need more than Aila. The deep roots of the tentacles of the Left Front machineries have gone into all the cells of Sonar Bangla. Name the areas - schools, colleges, police, government services, industries, so on and so forth and these are apart from the political machinery. Try to get into any one of these - most probably you will have to be a party cadre or pay heftily to the party or join the party.
What it has done ? The governance, teaching, productivity, attitude, business - all of these have taken the toll. The monolith it has created does not see any fault in itself just like in China or communist Russia. Their survival is based on conspiracy theory and creating an artificial divide in the society.
They abhor media, free information flow and economic centres. Information or lack of it was the main plank to keep their flock intact and subservient. That is why they were vehemently against privatizing TV channels, Computers, English, etc. They had kept the rural areas out of bound for independent external scrutiny. This helped them slowly eradicate any opposition through intimidation, killing, burning crops and houses, non-cooperation. Keep in mind that 85% votes are from rural areas. How good if it was 95% ? Unfortunately the advent of free media, computers, now phones and higher mobility of people put a huge constraint on their control.
They brought in changes in the land ceiling rules for others but not for themselves (mostly from East Pakistan). Yes they benefitted a big chunk of rural laborers and they found new freedom and friends. If I have to list one achievement, it is the Land reforms. Yes many have lost the lands but still more are liberated. What after that ? Go to the villages - believe me, you will find no roads, power, connectivity, schools, medical facilities in most of the places even after so many years of uninterrupted rule. And they call them champions of the poor !!!
Let us understand what the communism has replaced. It is the monarchy or dictatorship in most of the places. If it has replaced democracy anywhere, it was during the cold war period when country grabbing was a common phenomenon. Communism survives on the divide of poor and rich. It has vested interest in keeping that divide. The intellectuals intoxicated by the idealism of communist theory glossed over the biggest deficiency in communist theory – the human factor. Humans are by nature corrupt and a monolith being blind will only breed more and more corruption. This Government had vested interest is controlling information flow and choking economics (as independent economic centres are liberated zones, which goes against their principles). A militant union was the right therapy for that.
If government can give job and security to all – nothing ideal like that. But I am yet to see any. Whatever government sectors and services are there – most of them are crumbling down for the lack of efficiency, focus and in many cases because of corruption. And we have rich people like Ratan Tata, Ambani, Birla, etc. They are creating factories for employment. Forget about them – take any of us. Even we spend our money in food, household articles, gadgets, vehicles and also maids, etc. The money we spend, creates and sustains so many jobs and industries. We need rich people to generate more jobs and sustain industries. It is the rolling of the money which matters and not the rich and poor !!!
Consider the other sectors – infrastructure, education, health, agriculture, fishery, tourism, e-governance, industrialization, per-capita income, etc. I am sure Bengal has fallen in each of them with respect to the Sixties. It reminds me the article in the newspaper about the comment of a party leader. He introduce the vision generate mediocrity in all spheres and was not in favor of considering Dr. Amarya Sen as Professor !!!
Yes that is what we have today. Take all department, even the police – they are all mediocre. Today there is not enough job, not enough school, not enough medical facility, not enough roads, not enough transport, not enough urbanization – I can go on.
And the media debate on the protests from the villagers. They have taken help of the Maoist !!! Please let the people of that cursed land know how to protest, how to democratize, how to get their bare minimum rights to live, how to get anyone listen to them !!! All these years they have been muzzled by the cadres and their party machineries, the tentacles of which are so deep rooted. Tell those people till how long they should hold their patience if 32 years is not enough !!! It is a wonder that Left is being ththreatened by Ultra Left !!!! Such is their performance
We should understand the intensity of revolution is directly proportional to the extent of torture and the extent of the tentacles. It is not a gentlemen job. Then Chamberlin would have been enough for Hitler. England had to bring in a person called Curchill who can think in the same line as Hitler.
Recent elections have brought some hope in them. No, none of us can be a revolutionary but let us enjoy the winds of change and welcome the new era of Bengal.
Saptarshi Banerjee
hey guys as far as i know of my experiences they have been disastrous to a large extent In Kolkata and Bengal's process of development. I have been born there and completed my schooling with a very complecent mindset untill i came to bangalore for further studies. that is when i was exposed to the real pace at which India was progressing. Yes surely Kolkata did not lag at everything but it was the story for the most part of it.
what i feel today is that there is a need of "change" as well..............but the change that i am talking about may necessarilly not be ousting out the reds from the bengal politics. In fact the credentials of the major opposition in bengal- the TMC is also under scrutiny and not much have been established by them as well. In my understanding the best scenario would be where it stays with tmc for five years and then in the next 5 years again it goes back to the left.
as far as the 35 year long is in question it surely needs to end as it is making the left in bengal complecent and deviate from the idologies that are supposed to be the fundamentals of communism.
what i feel today is that there is a need of "change" as well..............but the change that i am talking about may necessarilly not be ousting out the reds from the bengal politics. In fact the credentials of the major opposition in bengal- the TMC is also under scrutiny and not much have been established by them as well. In my understanding the best scenario would be where it stays with tmc for five years and then in the next 5 years again it goes back to the left.
as far as the 35 year long is in question it surely needs to end as it is making the left in bengal complecent and deviate from the idologies that are supposed to be the fundamentals of communism.
Puspraj Prasad
Hi frnds. I have lived in Calcutta(now Kolkata due to just one person) fom my childhood.The cadre politics unleashed by CPI(M) has been seen my me.By heart I am communist.But the kind of communism practised my the so called Indian Communists are pseodo in nature.Apart from doing away with Jamindari system in Bengal Communists has nothing to show either from Industrial or Social or Educational point of view.They have destroyed our Sonar Bangala.We need a change desperately not just from these Communists but from all self serving,self centric parties like Congress and TMC.They wont do any good to our mother land.
Siby Antony
It is high time the Bengalis threw out these boys who were the main block for progress in West Bengal. Being a Malayalee, we looking upto the Bengalis for the lead, so that we can emulate the same thing in Kerala. We have seen a largescale migration of Bengali workforce to Kerala in recent times which shows the economic turmoil in Bengal. Please dont waste time, lets usher in the change for better times
Siby Antony
Siby Antony
Aakriti Rana
@ Yudi... hey man you don't seem to be clued in what people in West Bengal want today.. they are tired of oppression atrocities over 32 years... so many years cadres of the CPIM had gathered votes for the party by scaring them... now under Mamta Bannerjee's leadership, the people of West Bengal and mustered courage to stand up againts the tyranny of red-regime... this time, they will give a fitting reply to Buddha babus' CPIM...
wait for teh elections in 2011
wait for teh elections in 2011
Sarthak Thammiah hmmm.. we are waiting eagerly to see whether Mamta di can topple the CPIM govt in Bengal
Tanmay08
Yes guys time to expect a change in West Bengal... Although I am out of West Bengal for quite a few years, I say this going by the poll result trends...
Anyone from Bengal will be able to analyse better...
Looking forward to a great discussion...
Anyone from Bengal will be able to analyse better...
Looking forward to a great discussion...
Laila Majnu
Thanks for thanking me Shashwati ;-)
Since you created the first discussion, I though I shluld be the first to answer.
Shasahwti I do think your fellow Bengalees are dying to see a change of guard in the state secretariat...
32 years is little too long man... accept that
Since you created the first discussion, I though I shluld be the first to answer.
Shasahwti I do think your fellow Bengalees are dying to see a change of guard in the state secretariat...
32 years is little too long man... accept that
Yudi Banerjee see laila, if you go by the newspaper reports, you are more likely to be misled.. these so-called national newspapers have always opposed left front...
results of last few polls have gone against ruling cpim.. but i don't think they anyway reflect whta is forthcoming in 2011-12 assembly elections...
the cpim has a very strong organisation.. it might have suffered jolts, but there is sufficient time to recuperate and i believe the party will leave no stones unturned to win and retain power.
secondly i feel whatever they say, people of bengal, in general, also secretly nurture a pride which stems from its being different from the rest of the country..
so whatever happens i don't really foresee a change....
after all in any case mamta bannerjee's tmc is no alternative for well organised left front govt...
results of last few polls have gone against ruling cpim.. but i don't think they anyway reflect whta is forthcoming in 2011-12 assembly elections...
the cpim has a very strong organisation.. it might have suffered jolts, but there is sufficient time to recuperate and i believe the party will leave no stones unturned to win and retain power.
secondly i feel whatever they say, people of bengal, in general, also secretly nurture a pride which stems from its being different from the rest of the country..
so whatever happens i don't really foresee a change....
after all in any case mamta bannerjee's tmc is no alternative for well organised left front govt...
