Topic owner: Jatin Pal: I will just tell you a small experience.
The MCI is fully involved hands in glove with these Pvt Medical Colleges.
Prathima Institute of Medical Sciences in Karimnagar,AP is a blatant example.
Just walk in the hospital any day of the year...you will hardly find any patients OR faculty in the college.
But EVERY year during the MCI inspection..the hospital; is brimming with patients,brought in all over from nearby villages,lodges in the hospital premises and given free meal for the 3 days that the MCI team stays there.
But the bigger SCAM is as follows: the administration brings in so many doc from the nearby towns and during the inspection time the hospital has more doctors than patients during routine times.
Each member of the MCI team is paid atleast a crore Rs to keep their mouth shut and look the other way.
So any pvt medical college who pays a hefty amount gets the OK from MCI but govt medical colleges,who do not pay any bribe, in their case the MCI recommends that these govt medical colleges should be de-recognized.
Just how blatant and ridiculous the whole situation is!!!
The MCI inspectors make a lot of money and bull shit institutes get recognition and good govt medical colleges where real education is given,they are de-recognized.
The govt. should take strict action against the MCI first and then take action against these pvt.colleges.
Sahil Anand
The monitoring of the admissions in private medical colleges is entrusted to the "Admission Monitoring Committee" which is to be constituted in each State under the chairmanship of a Retd. Judge of the High Court nominated by the Chief Justice of the respective States. In respect of admissions in Govt. colleges, they are monitored by the Secretary or the Director of Medical Education.
The determination of the fee payable by the student and the monitoring of the payment of fee are vested with the "Fee Monitoring Committee" which is to be constituted in each State under the chairmanship of a Retd. Judge of the Hon'ble High Court who is nominated by the Chief Justice of the State.
As regards the admissions in the medical colleges of Deemed Universities, they are regulated by the rules & regulations prescribed by the University Grants Commission. Such admissions are made on the basis of the merit at the entrance examination conducted by each Deemed University separately as per the guidelines issued by the University Grants Commission.
The role and responsibility of the Medical Council of India is limited to oversee certain parameters. All the candidates admitted to the medical course should have passed 10+2 examination of Science stream with Physics, Chemistry, Biology and English as principal subjects and should have secured minimum 50 per cent marks (40 per cent for reserved candidates) at 10+2 examination in the subjects of Physics, Chemistry, Biology taken together and also in entrance examination. The institute should have made admissions within the permitted intake.
All the admissions should have been done before 30th September as per the Time Schedule prescribed in the Regulations.
For several reasons than one, the private capital has come to stay in the domain of medical education in addition to public funded subsidized medical education in Govt. run medical colleges/institution in the country. The operation of private capital in medical education brought into focus several issues which were required to be adjudicated by the courts of law from time to time.
To begin with, it was in Unnikrishnan's case that the apex court held that the 85 per cent of the annual intake of the unaided privately run medical college, the admissions would be made by the concerned State Govt. from their merit list and 15 per cent was designated to be the 'management quota' at the discretion of the management.
The fee prescribed was also on the basis of 'cross subsidy' to the effect that the 50 per cent of the admissions made by the State in the unaided colleges, the chargeable fee was same as was in the Govt. run medical colleges.
The fee chargeable from the 35 per cent of the seats was higher than the first category, and the 15 per cent quota admitted against the management category the chargeable fee was the highest. The scheme that was worked out was that student admitted in the 35 per cent of the seats by the State Govt. and the 15 per cent against management quota by the management was higher, to compensate for the subsidized fee chargeable from the 50 per cent of the admissions made by the State in such colleges.
Further, the availing of 'common entrance test' for admission to medical colleges was worked out by the Supreme Court in Shri Chander Chinar Bada Akhada Udasin Vs. State of J&K wherein it was brought out that "as the %age of marks secured by different applicant at different type of qualifying examinations cannot be treated as uniform, hence there is a need of common entrance examination".
This contention was further availed by the Supreme Court in case of Preeti Srivasatava vs. State of MP wherein it was brought out that the "standard of candidate is directly related to the standard of education meaning thereby that higher is the merit of the candidate, higher would be standard of education as well."
In 1998 in Ravinder Kumar Roy vs. State of Maharashtra case, Govt. of Maharashtra was directed to hold a Common Entrance Test for admission to medical colleges by the Apex Court. As such, Section 5 of Regulations governing Graduate Medical Education notified by the Medical Council of India mandate common entrance test for admissions for 'All India character' medical institution and by States where there is more than one medical college and more than one examining board for qualifying examination.
The Apex court in its judgment in TMA Pai foundation is while upholding the 'cost based education' categorically brought out that its decision in Unnikrishnan's case in so far as it framed the scheme relating to the grant of admission and fixing of the fee was not correct and to that extent the decision and the consequent direction given to Medical Council of India and Central & State Govts. was over-ruled. It observed that "surrendering the total process of the selection to the State was unreasonable as was sought to be done in 'Unnikrishnan scheme'.
The apex court in its verdict in Ismalic Academic Education Vs. State of Karnataka directed that in order to give effect to the judgment in TMA Pai case the respective State Govt., concerned authority shall set up in each State a committee headed by a Retd. High Court Judge nominated by the Chief Justice of the State with another member nominated by the Judge who shall be a Chartered Accountant and a representative of the Medical Council of India for the purposes of 'monitoring' the chargeable tuition fee.
It also advocated holding of the Common Entrance Test by the unaided colleges in the concerned States which would be monitored by another Committee which also headed by a Retd. High Court Judge to be nominated by Chief Justice of the State so as to ensure that it is fair and transparent. As such, it validated the 'fee revision committee' as well as "Admission Monitoring Committee" as proposed in TMA Pai foundation case as well.
In P.A. Inamdar Vs. State of Maharashtra case in 2005 among other things, the apex court prescribed that the "committees" regulating admission procedure and fee structure shall exist only as a temporary measure and an inevitable phase until the Central Government or State Govt. are able to devise a suitable mechanism and appoint a competent authority through the required legislation.
All the above mentioned facts clearly suggest that the MCI is carrying out its role scrupulously since 2004 and the Council has issued discharge notices from time to time when it has been observed that the students have been admitted in violation of the above mentioned norms. There are twin issues pertaining to the professional education including medical education that confront the common people at large in a big way namely -the modality of admission and the chargeable tuition fee. Now the MCI can't be blamed for reasons which don't fall out of its jurisdiction
Gopi Bhagavan
Hi! I fully agree with the view. In fact it is the 'Universal Fact '.
MCI is being run by a Coterie of Corrupt Doctors with unbriddled powers under the garb of autonomy offered by statutory nature of MCI. Except the Supreme Court of India and Parliament, no power on the Earth can shake them.
Due to their vise like grip over Medical Education & Medical Practice in the country these Seasoned & Greedy Doctors have created a Milch Cow-Capitation Fee Collecting Private Medical College Lobby (run by corrupt politicians) and an artificial demand for MBBS/MD/MS degrees.
National Board of Examinations, New Delhi is a Central Govt. Body offering DNB degrees in Specialty & Super Specialty courses with effective & innovative utilization of existing infrastructre & Faculty of both private and public hospitals. The DNB Degree is the toughest to get and the respect it commands is far superior to MD/MS (offered by MCI, through various universities) both nationally and internationally.
But it is the MCI which regulates the Medical Practice and Teaching appointments in the Medical Colleges.
It doesn't want to recognize the NBE qualification i.e.DNB so that the demand for MD/MS is maintained and the Capitation market can thrive.
By making the DNB qualified Teachers Non-available to the Medical Colleges & upsetting the Student:Teacher ratio, it can threaten Medical colleges of Derecognition (and Fleece them of Crores of Rupees) .
By tilting the Medical Practice in favour of MD/MS specialists (denying a level playing field to DNB Specialists) it has created a demand for these courses (and hence, the astronomical capitation fee ranging from 40 lacs to 2 crores).
This attitude of MCI can only be corrected with suitable amendments to MCI act by Parliament or Hon'ble Supreme Court's Intervention (by a suo moto case) and clipping the wings of MCI President & Inspectors, and making them accountable to their corrupt practices.
If Medical Colleges employ the DNB teachers all these artificial demands will die of natural death, because more teachers means more UG & PG seats. More means, Less or No capitation fee and Better Quality of Medical Education & Better Doctors.
Hope, Times of india helps in this matter of National Urgency.
Dr Shah
I being from the medical profession , totally agree with what Mr. Pal has written. I know of colleges in Bombay selling PG seats for lakhs of rupees. Also ,it is a common occurence to gather around patients from nearby rural areas by paying them petty amounts especially during MCI inspections. It goes without saying that the hospitals know before hand that there would be an inspection and its not a surprise inspection at all. This is a nexus between MCI and the politicians as most of these private colleges (esp in Maharashtra) are owned by politicians.
Also important to note that seats in government medical colleges are being derecognised every year. In the state of Maharashtra itself, in the last few years seats have gone down from around 2000 to around 400. As a result, medical students dont get admission into PG and have to take admission in private colleges which charge exorbitant fees and donations. So the whole aim to derecognise govt college seats is to make students take admission in private colleges owned by politicians and who pay hefty bribes to MCI members.
All deemed colleges/ universities should be de-deemed. All private college admissions should be done on the bases of CET and all india entrance exams like government college admissions. Also DNB admissions should be solely on the bases of marks in these entrance exams. People who want to argue might say that this will make a single exam decide the future of students but so what? Atleast it will eradicate this corruption.
Also there should be a very heavy punishment of taking admission on donation to the tune of 10 years imprisonment for the student and even more than that for the officials of that college. Also an award should be given to the one who complains about the matter to the police.
These are solely my views and I would like to know what you think about it. Please take a minute to post your comments.
Srihari Reddy
Yes Jetin You are really true!
Instead of all these people hawking about Seat for sale why don't they think and find out the cause for this shameful situation our country is facing?
All are trying to cash in on gaining cheap publicity by targetting big institutions saying seats for sale?
I honestly ask all members of itimes blog and Times of india and Times Now - "Is there any seat in any private medical college whether in North, South, East or West of India being given based on merit without donations?"
Why now and not Thirteen years ago when IO finished my Scholling and have been to all colleges in Tamilnadu, Andhra, Karnataka, Maharastra, and Delhi seeking for medical seat but only thing common requirement is not Entrance Exam or marks but Money! Money! Money!.
Fed up with this many of my friends went to Russia to pursue Medicine and Others to Nepal But all were good students with marks ranging from 85% to 90%.
Its Better late than never.
If Times Now & Times of India is not doing this for some political milege or some personal; grudge - I challenge them to find out many more colleges not only in Tamilnadu and karnataka but also Delhi, Maharastra, Pondicherry and Andhra Pradesh.
The MCI is fully involved hands in glove with these Pvt Medical Colleges.
Prathima Institute of Medical Sciences in Karimnagar,AP is a blatant example.
Just walk in the hospital any day of the year...you will hardly find any patients OR faculty in the college.
But EVERY year during the MCI inspection..the hospital; is brimming with patients,brought in all over from nearby villages,lodges in the hospital premises and given free meal for the 3 days that the MCI team stays there.
But the bigger SCAM is as follows: the administration brings in so many doc from the nearby towns and during the inspection time the hospital has more doctors than patients during routine times.
Each member of the MCI team is paid atleast a crore Rs to keep their mouth shut and look the other way.
So any pvt medical college who pays a hefty amount gets the OK from MCI but govt medical colleges,who do not pay any bribe, in their case the MCI recommends that these govt medical colleges should be de-recognized.
Just how blatant and ridiculous the whole situation is!!!
The MCI inspectors make a lot of money and bull shit institutes get recognition and good govt medical colleges where real education is given,they are de-recognized.
The govt. should take strict action against the MCI first and then take action against these pvt.colleges.
Please think and join against the SCAM of MCI.
The determination of the fee payable by the student and the monitoring of the payment of fee are vested with the "Fee Monitoring Committee" which is to be constituted in each State under the chairmanship of a Retd. Judge of the Hon'ble High Court who is nominated by the Chief Justice of the State.
As regards the admissions in the medical colleges of Deemed Universities, they are regulated by the rules & regulations prescribed by the University Grants Commission. Such admissions are made on the basis of the merit at the entrance examination conducted by each Deemed University separately as per the guidelines issued by the University Grants Commission.
The role and responsibility of the Medical Council of India is limited to oversee certain parameters. All the candidates admitted to the medical course should have passed 10+2 examination of Science stream with Physics, Chemistry, Biology and English as principal subjects and should have secured minimum 50 per cent marks (40 per cent for reserved candidates) at 10+2 examination in the subjects of Physics, Chemistry, Biology taken together and also in entrance examination. The institute should have made admissions within the permitted intake.
All the admissions should have been done before 30th September as per the Time Schedule prescribed in the Regulations.
For several reasons than one, the private capital has come to stay in the domain of medical education in addition to public funded subsidized medical education in Govt. run medical colleges/institution in the country. The operation of private capital in medical education brought into focus several issues which were required to be adjudicated by the courts of law from time to time.
To begin with, it was in Unnikrishnan's case that the apex court held that the 85 per cent of the annual intake of the unaided privately run medical college, the admissions would be made by the concerned State Govt. from their merit list and 15 per cent was designated to be the 'management quota' at the discretion of the management.
The fee prescribed was also on the basis of 'cross subsidy' to the effect that the 50 per cent of the admissions made by the State in the unaided colleges, the chargeable fee was same as was in the Govt. run medical colleges.
The fee chargeable from the 35 per cent of the seats was higher than the first category, and the 15 per cent quota admitted against the management category the chargeable fee was the highest. The scheme that was worked out was that student admitted in the 35 per cent of the seats by the State Govt. and the 15 per cent against management quota by the management was higher, to compensate for the subsidized fee chargeable from the 50 per cent of the admissions made by the State in such colleges.
Further, the availing of 'common entrance test' for admission to medical colleges was worked out by the Supreme Court in Shri Chander Chinar Bada Akhada Udasin Vs. State of J&K wherein it was brought out that "as the %age of marks secured by different applicant at different type of qualifying examinations cannot be treated as uniform, hence there is a need of common entrance examination".
This contention was further availed by the Supreme Court in case of Preeti Srivasatava vs. State of MP wherein it was brought out that the "standard of candidate is directly related to the standard of education meaning thereby that higher is the merit of the candidate, higher would be standard of education as well."
In 1998 in Ravinder Kumar Roy vs. State of Maharashtra case, Govt. of Maharashtra was directed to hold a Common Entrance Test for admission to medical colleges by the Apex Court. As such, Section 5 of Regulations governing Graduate Medical Education notified by the Medical Council of India mandate common entrance test for admissions for 'All India character' medical institution and by States where there is more than one medical college and more than one examining board for qualifying examination.
The Apex court in its judgment in TMA Pai foundation is while upholding the 'cost based education' categorically brought out that its decision in Unnikrishnan's case in so far as it framed the scheme relating to the grant of admission and fixing of the fee was not correct and to that extent the decision and the consequent direction given to Medical Council of India and Central & State Govts. was over-ruled. It observed that "surrendering the total process of the selection to the State was unreasonable as was sought to be done in 'Unnikrishnan scheme'.
The apex court in its verdict in Ismalic Academic Education Vs. State of Karnataka directed that in order to give effect to the judgment in TMA Pai case the respective State Govt., concerned authority shall set up in each State a committee headed by a Retd. High Court Judge nominated by the Chief Justice of the State with another member nominated by the Judge who shall be a Chartered Accountant and a representative of the Medical Council of India for the purposes of 'monitoring' the chargeable tuition fee.
It also advocated holding of the Common Entrance Test by the unaided colleges in the concerned States which would be monitored by another Committee which also headed by a Retd. High Court Judge to be nominated by Chief Justice of the State so as to ensure that it is fair and transparent. As such, it validated the 'fee revision committee' as well as "Admission Monitoring Committee" as proposed in TMA Pai foundation case as well.
In P.A. Inamdar Vs. State of Maharashtra case in 2005 among other things, the apex court prescribed that the "committees" regulating admission procedure and fee structure shall exist only as a temporary measure and an inevitable phase until the Central Government or State Govt. are able to devise a suitable mechanism and appoint a competent authority through the required legislation.
All the above mentioned facts clearly suggest that the MCI is carrying out its role scrupulously since 2004 and the Council has issued discharge notices from time to time when it has been observed that the students have been admitted in violation of the above mentioned norms. There are twin issues pertaining to the professional education including medical education that confront the common people at large in a big way namely -the modality of admission and the chargeable tuition fee. Now the MCI can't be blamed for reasons which don't fall out of its jurisdiction
MCI is being run by a Coterie of Corrupt Doctors with unbriddled powers under the garb of autonomy offered by statutory nature of MCI. Except the Supreme Court of India and Parliament, no power on the Earth can shake them.
Due to their vise like grip over Medical Education & Medical Practice in the country these Seasoned & Greedy Doctors have created a Milch Cow-Capitation Fee Collecting Private Medical College Lobby (run by corrupt politicians) and an artificial demand for MBBS/MD/MS degrees.
National Board of Examinations, New Delhi is a Central Govt. Body offering DNB degrees in Specialty & Super Specialty courses with effective & innovative utilization of existing infrastructre & Faculty of both private and public hospitals. The DNB Degree is the toughest to get and the respect it commands is far superior to MD/MS (offered by MCI, through various universities) both nationally and internationally.
But it is the MCI which regulates the Medical Practice and Teaching appointments in the Medical Colleges.
It doesn't want to recognize the NBE qualification i.e.DNB so that the demand for MD/MS is maintained and the Capitation market can thrive.
By making the DNB qualified Teachers Non-available to the Medical Colleges & upsetting the Student:Teacher ratio, it can threaten Medical colleges of Derecognition (and Fleece them of Crores of Rupees) .
By tilting the Medical Practice in favour of MD/MS specialists (denying a level playing field to DNB Specialists) it has created a demand for these courses (and hence, the astronomical capitation fee ranging from 40 lacs to 2 crores).
This attitude of MCI can only be corrected with suitable amendments to MCI act by Parliament or Hon'ble Supreme Court's Intervention (by a suo moto case) and clipping the wings of MCI President & Inspectors, and making them accountable to their corrupt practices.
If Medical Colleges employ the DNB teachers all these artificial demands will die of natural death, because more teachers means more UG & PG seats. More means, Less or No capitation fee and Better Quality of Medical Education & Better Doctors.
Hope, Times of india helps in this matter of National Urgency.
Also important to note that seats in government medical colleges are being derecognised every year. In the state of Maharashtra itself, in the last few years seats have gone down from around 2000 to around 400. As a result, medical students dont get admission into PG and have to take admission in private colleges which charge exorbitant fees and donations. So the whole aim to derecognise govt college seats is to make students take admission in private colleges owned by politicians and who pay hefty bribes to MCI members.
All deemed colleges/ universities should be de-deemed. All private college admissions should be done on the bases of CET and all india entrance exams like government college admissions. Also DNB admissions should be solely on the bases of marks in these entrance exams. People who want to argue might say that this will make a single exam decide the future of students but so what? Atleast it will eradicate this corruption.
Also there should be a very heavy punishment of taking admission on donation to the tune of 10 years imprisonment for the student and even more than that for the officials of that college. Also an award should be given to the one who complains about the matter to the police.
These are solely my views and I would like to know what you think about it. Please take a minute to post your comments.
Dr. Shah.
Instead of all these people hawking about Seat for sale why don't they think and find out the cause for this shameful situation our country is facing?
All are trying to cash in on gaining cheap publicity by targetting big institutions saying seats for sale?
I honestly ask all members of itimes blog and Times of india and Times Now - "Is there any seat in any private medical college whether in North, South, East or West of India being given based on merit without donations?"
Why now and not Thirteen years ago when IO finished my Scholling and have been to all colleges in Tamilnadu, Andhra, Karnataka, Maharastra, and Delhi seeking for medical seat but only thing common requirement is not Entrance Exam or marks but Money! Money! Money!.
Fed up with this many of my friends went to Russia to pursue Medicine and Others to Nepal But all were good students with marks ranging from 85% to 90%.
Its Better late than never.
If Times Now & Times of India is not doing this for some political milege or some personal; grudge - I challenge them to find out many more colleges not only in Tamilnadu and karnataka but also Delhi, Maharastra, Pondicherry and Andhra Pradesh.