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Religious discrimination in India too high?
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Bela C This is absolute rubbish. US is afraid that India will become a super power very soon and is trying to fool the rest of the world into thinking that .. more
Sach Ka Samna Make no mistake, US is just trying to hide its own incompetencies by targeting other nations. Its what they have been doing for past few decades rubb.. more
Topic owner: Sahir Rehman: A US based thinktank, Pew Research Centre has said that in terms of religious discrimination, India is next only to Iraq. The study titled `Global Restrictions on Religion' took into account the situation in as many as 198 countries. Pakistan is at the third place right below India. Do you agree with this conclusion?
Mohammed Salahuddi..
Hi Sensible Indians! I found the report to see what assumptions and methods of study the Pew group has applied. Here is the link for you to take a peek if you like. http://pewforum.org/docs/?DocID=496. It is obvious that the study group has set their standards which are meaningless. In India, most of the religious intolerance however little it is, comes from individuals or groups, definitely not from the government regulations. And the picture painted by the study is crazily opposite. In contrast, look at the statement made by French President Sarkozy: The president has said publicly that "the burqa has no place in France," placing his opposition in the context of women's rights. But since then, a number of political leaders have suggested that the French constitution, which guarantees freedom of religion, would make legislating on the question difficult no matter what the angle of attack.
Hence the Pew Report is a piece of trash, not worth taking note of. Let us not break our heads over a piece of trash that has not set its basis in a properly defined criteria.
Hence the Pew Report is a piece of trash, not worth taking note of. Let us not break our heads over a piece of trash that has not set its basis in a properly defined criteria.
Vikram Sharma
Indian Constitution preaches equality ,it is a fact.But all most all the gulf countries make differences legally among it's residents. Even developed Christian countries are also descriminating even in America their Presidential Laws are desciminating .Legally in India there is no descrimination but some times in India it is shameful when law could not come to the rescue of citizens.Take the example of J and K ,where thousands of Hindus have been pushed out of the state and Govt and Law couldnot protect them. It is not discrimination but failure of Law.But any of the local political parties or ruling parties have taken up their cause ! or have made any efforts . It is not on their political manifesto. ,This is the example of Political religious discrimination .It is not acceptable to an educated Lady Doctor politician nor to a foriegn educated and having a foriegner wife .What a Political wisdom ! always blaming, appeasing central Govt of discrimination. Can they justify it when they are opposing tooth and nail secular politics .Can they stand with their logics in an open debate in any of the europian country ! Here in confinment and surrounded by their fanatic followers sound to be impressive and pleasing .
Vikram Sharma
Discrimination can be admmited but it is not religious . The people who are propagating are having vested interests.
Shailendra Kadam
No. Religious and racial discrimination practised in the developed countries compared to India and the rest of the world is very high. Had religious discrimination been high in India you would not have found people of other faith practising their religion so freely, Hindus would not have sent their children by paying high fees and donations to schools run by Indian minority communities.
The legal age for getting married by a girl is 18 years in India, but the rule is waived for the Muslim girl even if she is 13 years old. Whenever any Muslim convict wants to get the maximum benefit he demands law as per his religion, but if caught stealing, raping or commiting any crime and if the law as per their religion is barbaric then the same convict demands to be tried as per Indian Penal Code, which is more humanitarian than Islamic Law (Muslim law punishes the convict by giving lashes, amputing arm, etc.).
The President or Prime MInisters of India,the Speaker of Lok Sabha have been of minority or backward communities like Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists and a Christian lady is running the Government of India through another minority community person (SIkh) as the Prime Minister.
The song composed by Dr.Iqbal Mohd "Sare Jahan Se Accha"has been awarded the status of national song.
This shows that majority of Indian belonging to the Hindu community are very tolerant people.
Religious discrimination is highly visible only when a girl from a minority community marries a boy from majority community, that is the minority community takes strong exception to this cultural, religious and national amalgamation.
Show us where a Muslim girl has married a person from another community and converted to that other religion? You would not find such instances in India.
The world is aware that even today Negroes are treated with contempt by developed western nations. After nearly 200 years of Independence by US of A how many Negroes, Asians, Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, Buddhists have made it to the White House as the President? Same case applies to the post of Prime Minister in United Kingdom.
The legal age for getting married by a girl is 18 years in India, but the rule is waived for the Muslim girl even if she is 13 years old. Whenever any Muslim convict wants to get the maximum benefit he demands law as per his religion, but if caught stealing, raping or commiting any crime and if the law as per their religion is barbaric then the same convict demands to be tried as per Indian Penal Code, which is more humanitarian than Islamic Law (Muslim law punishes the convict by giving lashes, amputing arm, etc.).
The President or Prime MInisters of India,the Speaker of Lok Sabha have been of minority or backward communities like Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists and a Christian lady is running the Government of India through another minority community person (SIkh) as the Prime Minister.
The song composed by Dr.Iqbal Mohd "Sare Jahan Se Accha"has been awarded the status of national song.
This shows that majority of Indian belonging to the Hindu community are very tolerant people.
Religious discrimination is highly visible only when a girl from a minority community marries a boy from majority community, that is the minority community takes strong exception to this cultural, religious and national amalgamation.
Show us where a Muslim girl has married a person from another community and converted to that other religion? You would not find such instances in India.
The world is aware that even today Negroes are treated with contempt by developed western nations. After nearly 200 years of Independence by US of A how many Negroes, Asians, Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims, Buddhists have made it to the White House as the President? Same case applies to the post of Prime Minister in United Kingdom.
Aloke Mookerjee
AM-Looking at various religious segments in India,I agree on religious discrimination .However,at the same time we are appreciated in the world as one of the most peaceful countries with religious harmony.To eradicate religious discrimination,we must root out the corrupt leaders who basically are defaming the country.Even with religious discrimination,if India is peaceful ,credit should go to the Indian citizen.We therefore need true leaders who promise and deliver.I am sure with the rise in awareness level,change in leadership quality would come much faster than expected.Once this happens,religious discrimination would be a thing of the past.
Richard Dias
too much time gets wasted in India in the name of gods. Not only this, even development work gets held up because of our active support to those who want to stop all kind of development activities. Moreover, people want to be in the reserve categories in the name of religion. At present there are no super powers in the world. business activities dominate the countries of the world.
Rohi Goyal
1)who is US to judje this?
2) india is only the largest secular nation with diversity not of religions only but in a single religion
3) last y v r bothered what us think tank thinks ,, they have nothing to do , so they publish these ridiculous reports.
4) they destroyed 2 nations i.e is afghanistan and other iraq . nd many more in history.
5) Also y is " kashmir called switzerland of india " but not the other way around.
6) this is my request all indian to dont bother about these reports.
2) india is only the largest secular nation with diversity not of religions only but in a single religion
3) last y v r bothered what us think tank thinks ,, they have nothing to do , so they publish these ridiculous reports.
4) they destroyed 2 nations i.e is afghanistan and other iraq . nd many more in history.
5) Also y is " kashmir called switzerland of india " but not the other way around.
6) this is my request all indian to dont bother about these reports.
Ishtar Gate 1) No one is judging anything, this isn't a trial. It's research.
2) Quite true.
3) They have nothing to do? What do you expect think tanks to do other than think, which is exactly what they're doing?
4) How does that relate to anything?
5) Equally bizarre question that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
6) As if people were splitting hairs over this.
2) Quite true.
3) They have nothing to do? What do you expect think tanks to do other than think, which is exactly what they're doing?
4) How does that relate to anything?
5) Equally bizarre question that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
6) As if people were splitting hairs over this.
Kaushik Majumdar
Just wondering, what is the basis of "saying" in the first place & what are the parameters of such a judgement?
Nitin Kulkarni
Dear All, Please remember, US has not been on top just because of their good jobs done. They have been on top of the world by creating turbulence every where, generating instability, imposing wars (whether physical or mental) outside the land of US. They will create jargons, create mistrust among different communities around the world, sell arms to one and ask other to be silent, and after some time reverse the situation. The ultimate result of all this is that american goods and ideas are getting sold, thereby earning them power. The list of malevolent things done by them is far far bigger than the benevolent things.
This report seems to be one of the simillar turbulence creating source. Please Do Not Get Waived by such findings. Every Indian knows that we are a homogeneous society. Inspite of different names of religions, our rituals are still same. There are thousands of muslim artists who carve & paint ganesh & Durga idols. There are million Indians who regularly visit some Dargas. There are more muslim film stars than Hindus.
If americans are targeting the social violence, please learn that US is the only country in the world where >10% of their population is currently in prison (in year 2009). This is largest in the whole world. So they could consider them as individual gansters and not social groups. India being tripple the population of US, some social race, unrest is bound to happen. That has not stopped us in having 3 Muslims presidents out of 12 till date. That makes 25% share for a 15% population of Indian Muslims. Current VP of India is also a Muslim person. If religious discrimination in India is too high, how would this be possible?
This report seems to be one of the simillar turbulence creating source. Please Do Not Get Waived by such findings. Every Indian knows that we are a homogeneous society. Inspite of different names of religions, our rituals are still same. There are thousands of muslim artists who carve & paint ganesh & Durga idols. There are million Indians who regularly visit some Dargas. There are more muslim film stars than Hindus.
If americans are targeting the social violence, please learn that US is the only country in the world where >10% of their population is currently in prison (in year 2009). This is largest in the whole world. So they could consider them as individual gansters and not social groups. India being tripple the population of US, some social race, unrest is bound to happen. That has not stopped us in having 3 Muslims presidents out of 12 till date. That makes 25% share for a 15% population of Indian Muslims. Current VP of India is also a Muslim person. If religious discrimination in India is too high, how would this be possible?
Shailendra Kadam What you say has some substance. Please read this real life account of a person given by John Perkins in this regard. It supports the basis of your statement.
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins | Berrett ...
This New York Times Bestseller is an extraordinary, real-life tale of
international intrigue and corruption and one man's personal journey from eager
...
http://www.bkconnection.com/confessions/...38k--Cached- Similar Pages
When you go through this confession you may refer to the case of Panama Canal and the role of businessmen of developed countries how they behaved and the assassination of the President of a country who controlled the Panama Canal and similar instances the world over disclose all.
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins | Berrett ...
This New York Times Bestseller is an extraordinary, real-life tale of
international intrigue and corruption and one man's personal journey from eager
...
http://www.bkconnection.com/confessions/...38k--Cached- Similar Pages
When you go through this confession you may refer to the case of Panama Canal and the role of businessmen of developed countries how they behaved and the assassination of the President of a country who controlled the Panama Canal and similar instances the world over disclose all.
Shailendra Kadam What you say has some substance. Please read this real life account of a person given by John Perkins in this regard. It supports the basis of your statement.
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins | Berrett ...
This New York Times Bestseller is an extraordinary, real-life tale of
international intrigue and corruption and one man's personal journey from eager
...
http://www.bkconnection.com/confessions/...38k--Cached- Similar Pages
When you go through this confession you may refer to the case of Panama Canal and the role of businessmen of developed countries how they behaved and the assassination of the President of a country who controlled the Panama Canal and similar instances the world over disclose all.
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins | Berrett ...
This New York Times Bestseller is an extraordinary, real-life tale of
international intrigue and corruption and one man's personal journey from eager
...
http://www.bkconnection.com/confessions/...38k--Cached- Similar Pages
When you go through this confession you may refer to the case of Panama Canal and the role of businessmen of developed countries how they behaved and the assassination of the President of a country who controlled the Panama Canal and similar instances the world over disclose all.
Shailendra Kadam What you say has some substance. Please read this real life account of a person given by John Perkins in this regard. It supports the basis of your statement.
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins | Berrett ...
This New York Times Bestseller is an extraordinary, real-life tale of
international intrigue and corruption and one man's personal journey from eager
...
http://www.bkconnection.com/confessions/...38k--Cached- Similar Pages
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins | Berrett ...
This New York Times Bestseller is an extraordinary, real-life tale of
international intrigue and corruption and one man's personal journey from eager
...
http://www.bkconnection.com/confessions/...38k--Cached- Similar Pages
Sidhaartha Chauhaa..
hello all, India is the most secular country in world in fact in west being secular is satan and this the view of general public. However it is time that we Indians must be practicle: we are an aspiring a Superpower and a good contender but not a Superpower and will not be. At the moment China is the only the number one contender as displayed in Copenhagen also. We are a Democracy and so we cannot progress that quickly. China is contacting african nations more quickly selling small arms to dictators and getting money and oil from Africa and even land for growing food for its own population.Where are we, we are fighting within ourself with a little help from our neighbours. We can never limit the stupid growth of our population and lets face it why- because few Muslims think they should not use contraception and Hindus think they have to breed like animals to counter the growth of Muslims. And all politicians take the advantage of our weakness.Now tell me is is it no stupid. and we cannot provide education, food , health care for ever increasing population. please tell me if I am wrong but this is naked truth. I am sorry for being so blunt and not sugar coating the truth.
Sidhaartha Chauhaa.. Leave it my friend You are cribbing about grammatical aspect and that too an old one. language progresses and you need to see the usage in different light. Any how you are behaving like an orthodox cleric who is blinded by the old tradition which has no significance today. You need to progress. I am not going to talk about it with you any more- you can live with your imagination or try to live in WEST and find it your self. Take care.
Ishtar Gate Research on Satan? Okay here's some: Satan is a noun, a proper noun at that, and not an adjective. An activity being "Satan" makes no sense.
Sidhaartha Chauhaa.. my friend you need to research on Satan your self. For you I can only give you a small hint - in Urdu it means 'Shaitaan' - evil. Now please enlighten me by pointing out what do you think as Ridiculous :)
Ishtar Gate In the West being secular is "satan"? What does that even mean and do you have any sources for your ridiculously biased statements?
Sach Ka Samna
Make no mistake, US is just trying to hide its own incompetencies by targeting other nations. Its what they have been doing for past few decades rubbing dirt on others. What happened after hurricane katrina, torture of iraqi people, obama himself confesses racism being black...their half witted researchers and journalist have no clue about India and its tolerenace. We got attacked, and still we were tolerant enough not to kill innocent people in neighbouring muslim country.
Ishtar Gate Heh, I suppose I am generalising a bit, thanks for pointing that out.
But the point remains that an India-Pakistan war did not happen not only because of nuclear weapons, but also because the bloodshed it would cause would be unwarranted, and the economic impact magnanimous - an all out bad plan. Religion has nothing to do with any of this.
The matter of India's security and sovereignty is a political one, not a religious one. If a war did occur, it would be entirely political in nature, and not religious. A religious war would be say, Osama's Jihad, or the hypothetical situation of the Vatican declaring war on Saudi Arabia.
I also don't see how/where I ignored the uniform civilian code point, but I am all for it. Equality cannot be ensured in any way with different laws for different religions.
But the point remains that an India-Pakistan war did not happen not only because of nuclear weapons, but also because the bloodshed it would cause would be unwarranted, and the economic impact magnanimous - an all out bad plan. Religion has nothing to do with any of this.
The matter of India's security and sovereignty is a political one, not a religious one. If a war did occur, it would be entirely political in nature, and not religious. A religious war would be say, Osama's Jihad, or the hypothetical situation of the Vatican declaring war on Saudi Arabia.
I also don't see how/where I ignored the uniform civilian code point, but I am all for it. Equality cannot be ensured in any way with different laws for different religions.
Manohar Mishra Ishtar We didn't attack Pakistan because our political masters busy doing religious politics but not bothered about the sovereignity and security of the integrated India. Neither, we as Indian citizens, are capable to choose the right leaders to rule the country. Assuming India would have attacked the neighbour in response to its challenge to the nation's security, I am not sure what do you mean by terming it as political motivation. Also you are generalizing again by telling India is witnessing religious attacks every other day. What India really witnessing every day is mindless appeasement politics by the political parties like Congress without really bothering about the welfare of the poor as Indians. They want to focus(?) only on minority poors. Rest of the poors are out of their radar. Also you are conveniently ignoring the fact that people living in Western countries are obeying uniform civilian code. There are no special laws meant for certain religions. Had they followed Indian model they would have disintegrated by this time. And you know this very well.
Sach Ka Samna West have only one religion - christianity and still so much discrimination within it, we have hundreds of religion and still co-exist..what more f**k US expects? Are they bloody moral judges?
Shailendra Kadam
You will recollect that developed western countries are of clever businessmen. Before taking any action against anyone, they build the atmosphere.
Religious discrimination is prevalent in the western developed nations also. Do you find Indian women with Bindi on their forehead over there, no, it is because their public does not like it. So you find Indian women without Bindi on their forehead. What happens is when they the US and other western developed nations are holding the light to guide the world they forget to see the darkness under the light that they are holding, and so such discrimination exists even in their countries. Even today Negroes in these countries are treated with disdain even though they both are christians or muslims.
Before attacking any country they create a hype in the media as if that particular country is the only country in the world doing a thing that is a disgrace to mankind. They build up the tempo with the help of NGOs in the developing countries financed by rich western countries directly or indirectly and we the educated people think that if we support any such agenda of the NGO we become the civilised or elite persons in the world. In doing so we are actually walking into the trap of these developed countries, who then use this rage in developing countries created by them for furthering their agenda by pressurising the democratically elected governments into submission. And mostly the leaders of the developing countries are corrupt, gullible, who love to talk about patriotism, swadhinta, swadeshi, etc. without practising it themselves and their families.
If some leader opposes, then he is either overthrown by a coup military or civil or they attack and bomb those countries to cleanse them of such bad elements as per their way of thinking.
So if you are patriot, you yourself take a stand in your day to day life to be more secular, else Uncle Sam will be celebrating Christmas and New Year by use of his super crackers on your motherland or fatherland or country.
You may refer the countries attacked or areas of certain countries attacked by the powerful western countries. Or refer the Book - Confessions of an Economic Hitman by Mr.Perkins.
Religious discrimination is prevalent in the western developed nations also. Do you find Indian women with Bindi on their forehead over there, no, it is because their public does not like it. So you find Indian women without Bindi on their forehead. What happens is when they the US and other western developed nations are holding the light to guide the world they forget to see the darkness under the light that they are holding, and so such discrimination exists even in their countries. Even today Negroes in these countries are treated with disdain even though they both are christians or muslims.
Before attacking any country they create a hype in the media as if that particular country is the only country in the world doing a thing that is a disgrace to mankind. They build up the tempo with the help of NGOs in the developing countries financed by rich western countries directly or indirectly and we the educated people think that if we support any such agenda of the NGO we become the civilised or elite persons in the world. In doing so we are actually walking into the trap of these developed countries, who then use this rage in developing countries created by them for furthering their agenda by pressurising the democratically elected governments into submission. And mostly the leaders of the developing countries are corrupt, gullible, who love to talk about patriotism, swadhinta, swadeshi, etc. without practising it themselves and their families.
If some leader opposes, then he is either overthrown by a coup military or civil or they attack and bomb those countries to cleanse them of such bad elements as per their way of thinking.
So if you are patriot, you yourself take a stand in your day to day life to be more secular, else Uncle Sam will be celebrating Christmas and New Year by use of his super crackers on your motherland or fatherland or country.
You may refer the countries attacked or areas of certain countries attacked by the powerful western countries. Or refer the Book - Confessions of an Economic Hitman by Mr.Perkins.
Anil C.
I was conclusive about India is the most secular country amongst in the world, until I was moved out 12 years ago to Middle east for employment.
Though I am living in Kuwait a Muslim country, I am not aware of any incident where non Muslims and their places of worship were attacked, and Police will take action even if any such incidents, never even once I heard police entering Church, temple, Gurudwara or Mosque here .
From here if I see TV reports, so many communal riots, like Gujarat, Khandamal, Mangalore are the prominent,
Sadly politicians supporting directly or indirectly, thease incidents and justifying them.
Once NDTV was showing reports one side one of the group leader was claiming that he did attached the churches, on the other side Karnataka home minister was claiming that that particular group was not involved .
Many of the people whom I met from different pats of India, describing about the Police taking sides and inaction unless media attention or Judiciary order, which clearly throws light at basic rights to security of a citizen are inadequate especially during riots and which are very frequent if we see India as a whole. I believe one who is at the receiving end during these incidents can explain the pain.
If our law and order system is strong, police take proactive and reactive unbiased action,
We can be a much better secular country than the present, where as we have a very good Judiciary system which will be complemented. I have seen some media photographs where people were chopped and charred during communal incidents in India, the survivors will not be consoled even if our courts hang the culprits after a decade or so.
Though I am living in Kuwait a Muslim country, I am not aware of any incident where non Muslims and their places of worship were attacked, and Police will take action even if any such incidents, never even once I heard police entering Church, temple, Gurudwara or Mosque here .
From here if I see TV reports, so many communal riots, like Gujarat, Khandamal, Mangalore are the prominent,
Sadly politicians supporting directly or indirectly, thease incidents and justifying them.
Once NDTV was showing reports one side one of the group leader was claiming that he did attached the churches, on the other side Karnataka home minister was claiming that that particular group was not involved .
Many of the people whom I met from different pats of India, describing about the Police taking sides and inaction unless media attention or Judiciary order, which clearly throws light at basic rights to security of a citizen are inadequate especially during riots and which are very frequent if we see India as a whole. I believe one who is at the receiving end during these incidents can explain the pain.
If our law and order system is strong, police take proactive and reactive unbiased action,
We can be a much better secular country than the present, where as we have a very good Judiciary system which will be complemented. I have seen some media photographs where people were chopped and charred during communal incidents in India, the survivors will not be consoled even if our courts hang the culprits after a decade or so.
Anil C.
I was conclusive about India is the most secular country amongst in the world, until I was moved out 12 years ago to Middle east for employment.
Though I am living in Kuwait a Muslim country, I am not aware of any incident where non Muslims and their places of worship were attacked, and Police will take action even if any such incidents, never even once I heard police entering Church, temple, Gurudwara or Mosque here .
From here if I see TV reports, so many communal riots, like Gujarat, Khandamal, Mangalore are the prominent,
Sadly politicians supporting directly or indirectly, thease incidents and justifying them.
Once NDTV was showing reports one side one of the group leader was claiming that he did attached the churches, on the other side Karnataka home minister was claiming that that particular group was not involved .
Many of the people whom I met from different pats of India, describing about the Police taking sides and inaction unless media attention or Judiciary order, which clearly throws light at basic rights to security of a citizen are inadequate especially during riots and which are very frequent if we see India as a whole. I believe one who is at the receiving end during these incidents can explain the pain.
If our law and order system is strong, police take proactive and reactive unbiased action,
We can be a much better secular country than the present, where as we have a very good Judiciary system which will be complemented. I have seen some media photographs where people were chopped and charred during communal incidents in India, the survivors will not be consoled even if our courts hang the culprits after a decade or so.
Though I am living in Kuwait a Muslim country, I am not aware of any incident where non Muslims and their places of worship were attacked, and Police will take action even if any such incidents, never even once I heard police entering Church, temple, Gurudwara or Mosque here .
From here if I see TV reports, so many communal riots, like Gujarat, Khandamal, Mangalore are the prominent,
Sadly politicians supporting directly or indirectly, thease incidents and justifying them.
Once NDTV was showing reports one side one of the group leader was claiming that he did attached the churches, on the other side Karnataka home minister was claiming that that particular group was not involved .
Many of the people whom I met from different pats of India, describing about the Police taking sides and inaction unless media attention or Judiciary order, which clearly throws light at basic rights to security of a citizen are inadequate especially during riots and which are very frequent if we see India as a whole. I believe one who is at the receiving end during these incidents can explain the pain.
If our law and order system is strong, police take proactive and reactive unbiased action,
We can be a much better secular country than the present, where as we have a very good Judiciary system which will be complemented. I have seen some media photographs where people were chopped and charred during communal incidents in India, the survivors will not be consoled even if our courts hang the culprits after a decade or so.
Rohi Goyal
I want to state a point that , INDIA IS ONE OF THE BIGGEST SECULAR NATION having 16% population of the world. So a nation with a huge population diverse in culture ,religion , even diversity in a single religion , still united and a growing democracy proves this study's futility . Moreover there is not even a single country in world with such diversity , so u will definitely get Indian on top position .
Ishtar Gate Again, I don't know how you measure "diversity". Iran is known to be socially hostile towards followers of non-Islamic religions and also imposes strict Islamic laws on its own populations.
And China isn't diverse? It is home to a number of different ethnic and cultural groups, is home to several languages and is the birthplace of Taoism and Confucianism as well as the chief propagator of Buddhism in East Asia.
The US is diverse as well. Bush's famous "With us or with terrorism" statement is generalised, but I don't consider it racism in any way. Bush says that if you oppose the War on Terror, you are implicitly supporting acts of terror. What does that have to do with racism?
Also, the attacks on Sikhs and Muslims weren't state-sponsored - they also did not last longer than a 2-3 years after the attacks and all perpetrators were brought to the book. On the other hand, the 1993 Blast verdicts remained in limbo for over a decade.
And China isn't diverse? It is home to a number of different ethnic and cultural groups, is home to several languages and is the birthplace of Taoism and Confucianism as well as the chief propagator of Buddhism in East Asia.
The US is diverse as well. Bush's famous "With us or with terrorism" statement is generalised, but I don't consider it racism in any way. Bush says that if you oppose the War on Terror, you are implicitly supporting acts of terror. What does that have to do with racism?
Also, the attacks on Sikhs and Muslims weren't state-sponsored - they also did not last longer than a 2-3 years after the attacks and all perpetrators were brought to the book. On the other hand, the 1993 Blast verdicts remained in limbo for over a decade.
Rohi Goyal ok then tell me even a single country with such a diversity in religion. moreover how IRAN is at number one.? If u wake up one day nd u start finding a nation where religious discrimination is most then you have to first start with a search of country wid diverse religions . So, i think INDIA tops that case. Then you find how many nation have dis, there are only few. Moreover , there how can u say CHINA is diverse that is totally a diff kinda thinking u have. And last but not least u think US is diverse, so y the sikhs and muslims are exploited at september attack.They say " if u r not with us , then you are wid terrorism" . from your point of view its a very kind statement not racism.
Ishtar Gate For the record, India is not on the top position. The study can't be rendered futile just because India has a lot of responsibility with regards to its diversity in religion. How do you measure diversity any way? I could very well argue that the United States and China are very diverse countries - how can you counter something like that?
Subhrajyoti Basak
ya u r righ we have supper stars who are muslims, we have cricketer who are muslims, any one can (irrespective of their relegion) die for them. but remember india is a county of 180 degree differences.. here we have the world reachest man again we have the porrest of the poor people of the world, and second one dominate the india. Indian govt might not discreminate the other religion but most of the people in our community do. do you think if go to marry a muslim girl our sociaty will accept? for 99% cases reply no. its not even for inter religious marraige but also for different cast.. have you forgot the case the delhi network engineer and college girl case of few days back? relatives kill the girl just because of she got married with a different cast boy.. even she was from a good middle class family back ground...
so its better to accept the thing that we have religious and cast discrimination in our sociaty (irrespictive of relegion), and its really shame.. so dont try to hide the fact try to remove that.. dont go in the ranking it might be 3, it might be 30? will you be happy if they put amarica also in 3rd with india ? or you will happy if india comes in last 3rd place?
so its better to accept the thing that we have religious and cast discrimination in our sociaty (irrespictive of relegion), and its really shame.. so dont try to hide the fact try to remove that.. dont go in the ranking it might be 3, it might be 30? will you be happy if they put amarica also in 3rd with india ? or you will happy if india comes in last 3rd place?
Ravi Moosad
I believe there is a misunderstanding about this report among most people. I request all readers to consider the points below:
1. The report talks about '25 Most Populous Nations' only. This means that most of the middle east countries, where there are strict regulations against any religion other than Islam, are automatically avoided.
2. The report talks about Iran and not Iraq. Media reported Iraq by mistake.
3. India is in the list because of high levels of Social Hostility. The major cause is extreme activities of religious fundamentalists from all religions. Social Hostility is NOT just Hindus being hostile to others. It includes any religion being hostile to any other religion.
Since India is a country is most number of religions (in significant numbers), naturally social hostility related incidents will be high. How can there be religious hostility if more than 95% of population is from one religion. They will just dominate the other religions. Since a clash will be suicidal minority religion will not do it in such cases.
In short, India's bad ranking is due to religious terrorist activities from all religions here.
1. The report talks about '25 Most Populous Nations' only. This means that most of the middle east countries, where there are strict regulations against any religion other than Islam, are automatically avoided.
2. The report talks about Iran and not Iraq. Media reported Iraq by mistake.
3. India is in the list because of high levels of Social Hostility. The major cause is extreme activities of religious fundamentalists from all religions. Social Hostility is NOT just Hindus being hostile to others. It includes any religion being hostile to any other religion.
Since India is a country is most number of religions (in significant numbers), naturally social hostility related incidents will be high. How can there be religious hostility if more than 95% of population is from one religion. They will just dominate the other religions. Since a clash will be suicidal minority religion will not do it in such cases.
In short, India's bad ranking is due to religious terrorist activities from all religions here.
Samura Saj
Why don't we make a think tank and rank America lowest than Saudi Arabia.
Bhanu Negi on what ground we rank america. lowest we have 2 admit american r super power right now.
Ishtar Gate Because it's a very bad idea.
Nitin Kulkarni
The view depends on mood & mindset, and obviously is not continual & fixed opinion. This view may change from morning till night, especially when the stomach is emptied out satisfactorily in the morning.
I have been working in Bahrain for last 3 years and have realised that India is more liberal and gives more freedom to even Muslims than these arabic nations. I have seen Arab muslims discriminating Indian, Bangladeshi & even Pakistani muslims. So comparatively, India is much better than others.
India is seen a discrimanting when Advani praises Jeenah or when concessions like Haj allowance, reservations are made available when they do not exist in any other part of the world. But India is also not considered discriminating when BJP proposes Abdul Kalam as President or honours A.R.Rehman or other Khans in the film industry. Sometime back, 50% of Indian cricket team were muslims. So is it not discrimination?
Better just clean your stomach and your views will change.
I have been working in Bahrain for last 3 years and have realised that India is more liberal and gives more freedom to even Muslims than these arabic nations. I have seen Arab muslims discriminating Indian, Bangladeshi & even Pakistani muslims. So comparatively, India is much better than others.
India is seen a discrimanting when Advani praises Jeenah or when concessions like Haj allowance, reservations are made available when they do not exist in any other part of the world. But India is also not considered discriminating when BJP proposes Abdul Kalam as President or honours A.R.Rehman or other Khans in the film industry. Sometime back, 50% of Indian cricket team were muslims. So is it not discrimination?
Better just clean your stomach and your views will change.
Subhrajyoti Basak Hi nitin, ya u r righ we have supper stars who are muslims, we have cricketer who are muslims, any one can (irrespective of their relegion) die for them. but remember india is a county of 180 degree differences.. here we have the world reachest man again we have the porrest of the poor people of the world, and second one dominate the india. Indian govt might not discreminate the other religion but most of the people in our community do. do you think if go to marry a muslim girl our sociaty will accept? for 99% cases reply no. its not even for inter religious marraige but also for different cast.. have you forgot the case the delhi network engineer and college girl case of few days back? relatives kill the girl just because of she got married with a different cast boy.. even she was from a good middle class family back ground...
so its better to accept the thing that we have religious and cast discrimination in our sociaty (irrespictive of relegion), and its really shame.. so dont try to hide the fact try to remove that.. dont go in the ranking it might be 3, it might be 30? will you be happy if they put amarica also in 3rd with india ? or you will happy if india comes in last 3rd place?
so its better to accept the thing that we have religious and cast discrimination in our sociaty (irrespictive of relegion), and its really shame.. so dont try to hide the fact try to remove that.. dont go in the ranking it might be 3, it might be 30? will you be happy if they put amarica also in 3rd with india ? or you will happy if india comes in last 3rd place?
Irfan Bangalore
Well even though it is US research and statistics, the research scientist are either Indians or Isarealis so I would not suspect the statistics. And who needs a research or a rocket scientist we know it for ourselves. well even if you do not want to show it out, in the heart you know it is true (unless you are fooling yourself).
Irfan Bangalore
Well even though it is US research and statistics, the research scientist are Indians or Isarealis so I would not suspect the statistics. And who needs a research or a rocket scientist we know is for ourselves. well even if you do not want to show it out, in the heart you know it is true (unless you are fooling yourself).
Roy David
I have lived in Saudi Arabia for many years. I have relatives in Bangladesh. I know at least these 2 countries are worse than India in rterms of religious discrimination. Pakistan is another one. Muslims in India are much less discriminated in India than the Hindus in Bangladesh or Hindus-Sikhs in Pakistan.
Zacharias Zacharia..
As a member of a religious minority, I absolutely agree with the statement that religious discrimination in India is too high. Outside of our urban areas, discrimination and violence is rampant. I have personally experienced it. I have also personally witnessed unspeakable acts of violence committed by the saffro-nazis such as the Bajrang Dal. The Indian constitution gives us the right to freely "profess, practise and propagate religion". Unfortunately this is not true in all parts of our Republic.
Ishtar Gate You continue to miss the whole point. This isn't about taking sides or favouring religions. Neither Zacharia nor I are emphasising Bajrang Dal violence over other violence: his point was that it is the only violence he has personally witnessed, as in through his own eyes. He is only stating an example, of something he has seen himself. That is all he wanted to say, and you've twisted that into meaning that he is anti-Hindu and biased.
Manohar Mishra Ishtar when you talk about such things just don't try to show it like you are the only one who is facing it. Hindus in India are facing such violences and descriminations in their motherland from centuries. If you are really concerned about the violence free India try to talk about all the violence without siding on religion. Just don't try to present one side of the story as if Bajarang dal came into existance out of no where in a country where everything was so peaceful and hunky dori. To make a clap you need two hands it can't be made with only one hand. If you really want to talk about descrimination, violence and all such evils try to talk about it for everybody facing it irrespective of religion. Then one can agree with you that it is really about the evil what you are talking about. Any other kind of playing with the words shall only go down the drain at the best.
Ishtar Gate Amusing that Mishra flies off onto a mountain of assumptions after poor reading skills. When does Zacharia say that Muslim organisations haven't been violent? Just because he mentioned Bajrang Dal? Read closely and you'll see that his point was that he witnessed their violence personally. That was all he said.
Talk about burning fingers.
Talk about burning fingers.
Manohar Mishra Mr. Zacharia, can you tell what is the basis of asking Kashmir to be separated from India ? It is only because that the state is Muslim majority ...isn't it ? You talk about Bajrang Dal. Do you know who is Sayed Shahabuddin and what kind of violence acts he has committed in Bihar ? Have you have heard of "D" company and do you think it is only doing charity work ? Do you mean to say there are no Muslim organizations that are committing violences ? Indian constitution gives you the right freely Practice and Profess your religion and mind you not to "Propagate". People like you first put fire and then cry of burning fingers (though you try to burn others)
Sunil Pradhan
Chilax friends.
Somebody else is saying something and you are fighting..it's not fair.
It's an example that anyone can divide us.
Why some people give importance to religion than nation or humanity?
Discrimination is everywhere..even a mother can have discrimination problem.
It's all depend on the person and the root cause is selfishness, my dear friends.
You people are accusing each other.
So, my counter questions are as follows:
Please, calm down down,read and analyse and please quit any stereotype.
To Hindu:
What are the biggest flaws in modern Hinduism as followed by you?
Why people cheat even to the people of same religion?
What about caste system, why some feel superior to other?
To Muslim:
What's the problem in having an common civil code for india?
To Christian:
Why not serve people only leaving the religion behind.What's so tempting about the conversion?
These questions are for you, you are not answerable to me and I don't need also :)
My views on the subject is as follow:
-I feel most of the time India is more secular than any any of the country in the world.
-Above the religion there remain other issues
which makes us victim of discrimination.
For example- gender,language,socio economic status, qualification,intelligence,complexionnnn n -
there are lots of more.
As I said a genuine person never discriminates and a dignified and eligible person never feels discriminated.
They make their own way. they never bothers about what other's say or what other's do.
They do their best whatever they are responsible for.
And they don'y need certificate from others too.
- enjoy :)
Somebody else is saying something and you are fighting..it's not fair.
It's an example that anyone can divide us.
Why some people give importance to religion than nation or humanity?
Discrimination is everywhere..even a mother can have discrimination problem.
It's all depend on the person and the root cause is selfishness, my dear friends.
You people are accusing each other.
So, my counter questions are as follows:
Please, calm down down,read and analyse and please quit any stereotype.
To Hindu:
What are the biggest flaws in modern Hinduism as followed by you?
Why people cheat even to the people of same religion?
What about caste system, why some feel superior to other?
To Muslim:
What's the problem in having an common civil code for india?
To Christian:
Why not serve people only leaving the religion behind.What's so tempting about the conversion?
These questions are for you, you are not answerable to me and I don't need also :)
My views on the subject is as follow:
-I feel most of the time India is more secular than any any of the country in the world.
-Above the religion there remain other issues
which makes us victim of discrimination.
For example- gender,language,socio economic status, qualification,intelligence,complexionnnn n -
there are lots of more.
As I said a genuine person never discriminates and a dignified and eligible person never feels discriminated.
They make their own way. they never bothers about what other's say or what other's do.
They do their best whatever they are responsible for.
And they don'y need certificate from others too.
- enjoy :)
Iam Nosuperman Sunil, this was the most sensible response i've read in this page. Good one man.
Ishtar Gate I'm irreligious myself, but most of your questions happen to touch upon theological subjects.
Hindu questions:
3. The Hindu Caste System is according to religion, unshakable, blood-bound and natural. Some people are superior because they just are, like how a lion is physically superior to a hummingbird.
Christian question:
1. According to Christianity, anyone who is not a Christian and an non-believer would be sentenced to hell unless he repents for his poor deed. It is the moral duty of Christians, therefore, to spread the word of the Lord to as many people as possible, so that they may be saved before the Day of Judgement.
Hindu questions:
3. The Hindu Caste System is according to religion, unshakable, blood-bound and natural. Some people are superior because they just are, like how a lion is physically superior to a hummingbird.
Christian question:
1. According to Christianity, anyone who is not a Christian and an non-believer would be sentenced to hell unless he repents for his poor deed. It is the moral duty of Christians, therefore, to spread the word of the Lord to as many people as possible, so that they may be saved before the Day of Judgement.
Sunita H
That so called Research Center is more or less talking about US's next target rather than any religion bound country . I do agree that there are religious discrimination in India but that is due to the age old illiterate society rules, the people who made those rules were not as educated to know humanity. If that's called religious discrimination then what would they call what they are doing to other religion after 9/11 and whatever is happening to Indians in Australia. In India the discrimination is due to lack of education but in US it is just an inhuman psychotic revengeful madness. How can they accuse others of a crime when they are no less than a criminal. At least we are not as insane to show the same behavior to Indian Muslim after 26/11 as they did to the whole American Asians communities after 9/11. Why this bloody Americans don't mind their business and leave other alone.
Ishtar Gate Amusingly venomous post where you explicitly confuse government with a research institute. The US Government has neither sponsored nor published this report - an independent body did. And lack of education doesn't automatically make everyone tolerant and ethical. I'm sure that Torquemada was a very well-educated man.
Dr Mohd Naushad Kh..
This Conclusion having weightage if we go through the indian societies and examine them seriously, For 20 yrs I am working in the rural areas of Rajastan, You would find nothing if you look superficialy, But there is deep unrest amongs different religious groups,people are very cautious to maintain there mutual relationships, Majority is extremely dominating over its minority part, it is rather impossible for a minority member to purchase a piece of land or commertial property in the majority dominating villages, and absolutely impossible to raise its worship place, while majority can built a mandir for pooja anywhere , schools , hospitals, roadside,chauraha's, govt land, institutions etc, etc. A normal mutual fight may turn into DANGA'S many times, In most of the cases minority is supressed by majority with the help of govt machineries, Within the govt offices there is highly discriminating environment for the minorities at top level, barely they get important and valuable offices.
Manohar Mishra Mr. Mohd. Naushad Khan, you mention about minorities difficulties to purchase lands or worship places. But you fail to mention that the moment you purchase some lnad , instead of living in it nuetrally and with harmony you start creating your own ennvironments. You start demanding others in that place not to perform the religious activities which they might be performing since ages saying it offends your beliefs. Do you think people will welcome you with both the hands if you stard demanding some special status for you ? You talk about normal mutual fiths turning into DANGA's. You try to answer who is really put efforts to trun them into DANGAs instead of individuals fights. I have spent my child hoods into areas sorrounded by Mohallas and I know exactly what happens when such "Normal " fights errupts between two or more individuals belonging to two different religions. Within no time the muslim individual gathers his own fellows claiming there was a attack and dishonour of the religion and the religion itself is under danger. Within no time DANGA starts. Do you think you can hoodwink the people by saying some lies ?
Bhanu Negi
I want to answer as all izzzz............ well.bcoz i am also indian but can't bcoz truth is reverse. we r divided on religion,language,cast,provision. This hard 2 digest but we have 2 digest it, bcoz it is sour but truth.
For sachin(the cricketer),we stand united but what about common man.They face chellange of religion ,cast,provision.Our constitution is secular but we r lag behind of this thought .
Strike,chakka jam, rail roko now almost everday's news.Most of them bcoz of sentiment hurt by one community by other.
I don't agree easily but this time kudos 2 american they show reality us.
For sachin(the cricketer),we stand united but what about common man.They face chellange of religion ,cast,provision.Our constitution is secular but we r lag behind of this thought .
Strike,chakka jam, rail roko now almost everday's news.Most of them bcoz of sentiment hurt by one community by other.
I don't agree easily but this time kudos 2 american they show reality us.
Surendra Kamath
one 9/11 and all american so called tolerance for religion evaporated along with the metal frame work of trade centers. they not only suspended all civil rights of muslims but even started spying on their own citizens. more so if he happened to be a muslim. just because shah rukh khan was muslim they treated him humiliatingly and suspiciously. as for what happened to christians in orissa, it is an entirely different aspect. firstly whatever happened was confined to a pocket, so it is not a nationwide religious discrimination, secondly there are two sides to every coin and we need not go into it here. suffice to say that orissa is an isolated story. i often go into maharashtra villages for social work. though the village populace is far more aware of the religion and caste of their neighbours, unlike in cities, there is no discremination. true there is no visiting each others temples or mosques, or singing in ganpati festival and id celebrations like they show in hindi films or government advertises, by and large people let others live their own way. what else is religious freedom?
Surendra Kamath
leave it to us to draw stupid conclusions from their lopsided surveys. in us people still think that india is a country of snake charmers. i have had many occasions to visit us in the course of my profession since 1980. even today sometimes i get asked whether there are elephants on indian streets! a few years ago on one of the news channel of usa the commentator had equated the proficiency of in the english spoken by our airlines pilots to that of pilots from south american countries! to come back to the point made by us, it is ofcourse absolutely rubbish that in india there is religeous descrimination. such baseless statements donot merit any rebuttal. on the other hand there is rampant racial discremination in us even today. until 1984 there were separate schools for blacks and whites. only in 1984 supreme court declared the school segregation illegal. i have seen with my own eyes that if there be even one white man in a working gang, the boss of the gang is invariably white man. only if the full gang is made of black workers then the boss can be black. once when i mentioned brazil to an educated white american, he shamelessly asked me where is brazzil? this is the depth of their knowledge. i think americans shud mind their own shop. they haven't the competence to judge us.
Subhrajyoti Basak
Hay guys still you people like our grand parents, do you still think india is best like or grand parents did? dont go the details what is american society have. i think its better to accept the fact and act against that. Our govt might not discriminate other religion but what about the people of india. Do they also not discrimitate other religion? Please don’t you people tell me about Pakistan or Bangladesh, its not the time to think about others its the time to think about ourselves and remove all discriminating factor within us. you people might considering only the urbus middle class and rich people. I have seen lots of family in rural even in urban areas who still dont give permission the muslims in their room or if a muslims enters in room after left the room they used to clean chair, tables. people i have seen who think having beef is a crime (you might have your won religios belive but you cant think like that). even you dont need to go in diffrent religion just in hindus also there are lots of temples where SC people cant enter, before getting married still your cast is the main identity, its all there in our sociaty but still you people think there is no discrimination in india. HOW COULD YOU just because of american think tank made the report or just because Saharukh kan getting married with a hindu girl and Ritwik getting married with muslim?
So fact is fact might not be indias no is 2nd oe 3rd, religious discrimination or even cast discrimination its still there in your sociaty even in middle class , upper middle class, poor every where, so people come together we might not be the best but remember we were best and we could be best (For that we require action, which we have to take irrespective of our religion).
So fact is fact might not be indias no is 2nd oe 3rd, religious discrimination or even cast discrimination its still there in your sociaty even in middle class , upper middle class, poor every where, so people come together we might not be the best but remember we were best and we could be best (For that we require action, which we have to take irrespective of our religion).
Subhrajyoti Basak
Hay guys still you people like our grand parents, do you still think india is best like or grand parents did? dont go the details what is american society have. i think its better to accept the fact and act against that. Our govt might not discriminate other religion but what about the people of india. Do they also not discrimitate other religion? Please don’t you people tell me about Pakistan or Bangladesh, its not the time to think about others its the time to think about ourselves and remove all discriminating factor within us. you people might considering only the urbus middle class and rich people. I have seen lots of family in rural even in urban areas who still dont give permission the muslims in their room or if a muslims enters in room after left the room they used to clean chair, tables. people i have seen who think having beef is a crime (you might have your won religios belive but you cant think like that). even you dont need to go in diffrent religion just in hindus also there are lots of temples where SC people cant enter, before getting married still your cast is the main identity, its all there in our sociaty but still you people think there is no discrimination in india. HOW COULD YOU just because of american think tank made the report or just because Saharukh kan getting married with a hindu girl and Ritwik getting married with muslim?
So fact is fact might not be indias no is 2nd oe 3rd, religious discrimination or even cast discrimination its still there in your sociaty even in middle class , upper middle class, poor every where, so people come together we might not be the best but remember we were best and we could be best (For that we require action, which we have to take irrespective of our religion).
So fact is fact might not be indias no is 2nd oe 3rd, religious discrimination or even cast discrimination its still there in your sociaty even in middle class , upper middle class, poor every where, so people come together we might not be the best but remember we were best and we could be best (For that we require action, which we have to take irrespective of our religion).
W Mathew
India is religously secure for the majority groups only, not for the minorities -like Christians in Orissa, Sikhs after Mrs Ghandhi's assacination, Muslims in Gujarat, Christians in most partsof India where extremist Hindus torture and kill, and for the 270 million untouchables!!
Aditi Chaturvedi HI.........what will u say when hindu being killed in kashmir...........in assam..........even hindu's are not allowed in some muslim areas in india..........see if u just take negative examples no body can help about being minorities more than hindus minorities got quota hard to get job if u are hindus...........i am not saying its wrong or right but everything have pros and cons .india is very secular country its just because of some extremist hindu and muslim group u cant define that its not secular...........
W Mathew
Hi look at our backyard (2/3 of people live in poverty, religious discrimination, as untouchables, or marginalised. Just because the middle and upper class do well does not mean the poor are looked after!. Indian rich are richer than American rich, but American poor are better off than most Indian middle class! One million on streets of Mumbai is a proof! Don't fool ourselves!
Manohar Mishra Dear Mathew American poor are better off than most of Indian middle class..at what cost ? by selling weapons to the developing countries ? or by buttressing chinese to get loan from them ? or by looting the oil wealth from the middle east countries ? You seems to dream like some Santa is sitting in US and distributing the riches wealth to the poor americans to make them better off than Indian middle class..!!!!or is it that American riches are looking after the american poor with spoons in their hand. Probabaly because you get such hallucinations you think US is the heaven upon this earth.
Chandramuni Jadhav well said yaar.
Shakti Shetty
India is and will always be a epitome of religious tolerance... no other nation on this godforsaken plant can claim the kind of religious freedom that India guarantee considering the vastness of our country and diversity included... the analysis by Pew can only encourage a loud Phewwwww!
Iti10056
US always thinks about its own benefits. There is not even single live example available on the credibility of US acting unbiased . When they descriminate black/brown /muslim etc , they do not have any right to to point other countries. India is the most secular state where everyone has a equal chance for compitation etc. Special reservations has been provided to safe guard the interest of the minorities, backward classes etc. Policies are written and the Modern India is in more active transition phase .
Bela C
This is absolute rubbish. US is afraid that India will become a super power very soon and is trying to fool the rest of the world into thinking that India is still a 3rd world country.....wake up you American fools!!
Mohammed Salahuddi.. Madam Bela, please mind your language. I don't know whom you address, but nobody here deserves your foul language. Just express your opinion without getting emotional.
Bhanu Negi tell me who is indian here u wil find hidu, muslim ,sikh & other community even panjabi, marthi up waale, bihar wale,but indian hard 2 find still u blamed american ye achchi baatnahi hai.
lets face the truth.
lets face the truth.
Manohar Mishra Mr. Navin Bhansali you seem to suffer from slave mentality which tells you that westerners are superior to you. This is the direct result of McCauley’s English education system which destroyed the very fabric of Indian culture so successfully. Westerners are reaping the benefit of this even now. For the literate fools like you and many other so-called 'educated' whatever the US does is "Great"...!!! No wonder we live like this today. You talk about untouchability, child marriage, dowry etc. So do you think the history of these white race is of those of angles ..??? If so then try to learn who wiped out the civilizations like Mayans, Incas from the face of this earth. Try to learn who subjugated the Africans in the name of Apartheid, and who robbed the Red Indians, Australian aborigines of their own land and life. It is because of ‘Nuts’ like you these guys look down upon us. You talk about US being far ahead of India...!!! A child doesn't know who is his/her real father. A couple doesn't know when they really get married. A child doesn't who is going to be their next step father/ step mother. No mercy for the old people. Rampant child abuses so much so that even a casual talk to a kid can make you end up in jail in US...!!!! Two male friends shy away from putting their arms around each other's shoulder fearing people may doubt them as gays...!!! The nation’s president pleads the parents to keep their kids going to school instead of dropping out...!!! This is what you mean by the forwardness of US..!!!! It is this kind of dumb headed aping of western culture which is what causing the similar social conditions in India...!!!! I pity on people like you. Don't tell that I have not lived in US. I have lived and seen countries like US, Canada, Singapore and I have worked in MNCs. After all this only I am talking about these facts...
Subhrajyoti Basak hi bela, are you a mad? do you think USA is afraid of India? for what ? for our 1+ core population? you people are really mad.. where is the position of indian's per capita income? do you know still 40% of people lives below the proverty line of indian govt? and if you consider the proverty line according to USA that figure will come 80%. dont forget american poor better than our middle class families.
Navin Bhansali And about India considered as 2nd in discrimination, I really am shocked because I think it is better than most of the Islam countries where no other religion is allowed to prosper. India is the only country where every religion is treated with same respect and you can find masjid, church and gurudwara along with hindu temples. Moreover you can find all sects of religion living together in a community and exists with peace, love and harmony.
Ofcourse India has seen some discrimination in the past but and social crimes like dowry, child marriage, untouchable, looking down upon the poor by the rich is prevalent here but that can be solved if we educate the illiterates (by illiterate I meant the one who have no basic education and also the rich and people of higher status who think themselves to be superior to other) and make them realize the true human values. Change your ideas to the betterment and you will see India really becoming a super power. But not so soon Miss Bela... US is far ahead of India and it may take a lot of time to reach there and when we reach there, God knows where America will be heading to. But I am really looking forward to the day when India will be a 1st world country
Ofcourse India has seen some discrimination in the past but and social crimes like dowry, child marriage, untouchable, looking down upon the poor by the rich is prevalent here but that can be solved if we educate the illiterates (by illiterate I meant the one who have no basic education and also the rich and people of higher status who think themselves to be superior to other) and make them realize the true human values. Change your ideas to the betterment and you will see India really becoming a super power. But not so soon Miss Bela... US is far ahead of India and it may take a lot of time to reach there and when we reach there, God knows where America will be heading to. But I am really looking forward to the day when India will be a 1st world country
Navin Bhansali India ... a super power very soon?? You must be joking. Well America isn't afraid of anyone and I don't know about the statistics of the report but there is certainly religious, caste, sex and other discrimination prevalent in India and it is not today, it has been the situation for 1000 years. I dont know where we stand in religious discrimination, 2nd or 3rd or anything, but there is ofcourse the discrimination and it does not matter if US research reveals it or whatever does but the fact cannot be ignored. Well, the research was meant to find out something on the basis of statistics and it is the job of research statisticians. They did their job and gave away the result. The truth lies in the fact that we as Indians make certain discrimination like untouchables, sexual abuse and many more but it has changed a lot from what it was like 50-60 years back. Indians are now more educated and learned than before and can understand the right human values very well. The only way we can remove this discrimination is by educating the people of India. Social discrimination is prevalent everywhere and as one society progress better than the other, it is unfortunate the the more powerful and progressive society look down upon the other. Like Americans think about the Indians, chinese and other backward countries the same way. It is very unfortunate on the part of Humanity and we need to change this idea. Using modern technology and education system to make a better and peaceful world with the values of true human should be the aim.
W Mathew Hi Bela C, we just need to look at India's over 700 million people (over 2/3 of India) living in poverty, religious discrimination, or as untouchables. We will remain a third world country, until we genuinely address these issues (of millions, 2/3 of people). Just because we have some big buildings and Atomic bombs does not make it different. North Korea has the same! (minus untouchables!). American fools or Indian fools???
Rajinder Katoch
When I read this article, the response was Pew. It is like pot is calling the cat black. It was US where women were given right to vote in 1919. Blacks still are not treated equal, except celebrities.
India is the only country where Jews are not killed. It is the only country which gives subsidy to muslims for visiting Mecca and Madina and not even to Hindus to visit Kailash. Hindus are still migrating from Pakistan. Hindus popolation is shown in Pakistan census under the head others. Bangladesh was created by India and when bengali of that side do not want to stay with Pakistan because Pakistan kept B'desh poor from 47 to 71. Now, Bangladeshis are pouring in India. There are africans who fly to India on wrong reasons and tear off their passport and take asylum. A population where 81% people worship Hinduism, the rest are enjoying their say. A community with 1% population is PM of India. Where is the discrimination?
India is the only country where Jews are not killed. It is the only country which gives subsidy to muslims for visiting Mecca and Madina and not even to Hindus to visit Kailash. Hindus are still migrating from Pakistan. Hindus popolation is shown in Pakistan census under the head others. Bangladesh was created by India and when bengali of that side do not want to stay with Pakistan because Pakistan kept B'desh poor from 47 to 71. Now, Bangladeshis are pouring in India. There are africans who fly to India on wrong reasons and tear off their passport and take asylum. A population where 81% people worship Hinduism, the rest are enjoying their say. A community with 1% population is PM of India. Where is the discrimination?
Md Kaleemuddin
India has always been World's most secular state. These allegations are because of the presence of some religious dictating parties in the country like BJP, VHP, RSS that the country makes foreigners think that India is not Secular and Social Hostility index is high. Although the new generation doesnot even bother to even lend an ear to such patries, but there are still some people in our country who follow them. This should change to change foreigners attitude towards India.
And lastly let the US Thinktank think what it wants, its not the Thinktank of the world !!!
And lastly let the US Thinktank think what it wants, its not the Thinktank of the world !!!
Suvarnarekha Balu
The report clubs India with Sri Lanka, Ethiopia and Bangladesh as countries where large segments of the population want to protect the special place of one particular religion. Agreed that some violent incidents do occur, like bomb blasts, riots etc, but it is extreme to say that India is intolerant towards other religions. This view is highly skewed & the surveroys are not very sure of their job, it seems.
Dev Kashyap
If they claim that this is die to govt imposed restrictions, then what about countries like Saudi Arabia & Iran, which rank much high above us in the social hostility index!
Nayana Nagpal
This is crazy! India does not deserve such treatment. We are one of the most tolerant cultures in the world. & to think that even Pakistan ranks below us in the list! That's a joke!!
Vinay Ghosh
I strongly disagree with this conclusion. India is one of thre most religiously secure country in the world. This is not acceptable.
Subhrajyoti Basak Hi Mathew how can you say now india having less no of muslims, Christians, shikhs? do you have the statistics? disgusting people you people are blaming each other only doing nothing.. just like a politicians. we might from different religion but first our identity should be we are indian...
Rajinder Katoch Mathew, No. 1 you are converted and previously you were Hindu. Hindus are extremists and christians are innocent. Germany is a christian country and hitler killed 60 lakh jews, Hope you have heard the word, Holocaust.
Christian countries fought WW1 & 2 and not hindu extremists. How many people killed? 10 Crores - so innocent are you christians.
Now read your European history. In 14th centure till 18th Centure, Whenever a scott use to marry, English Lords use to deflower his wife the first night,means English Lord use to sleep with his newly wedded wife instead of the Scott groom. Christians aparthaied laws is known to all. When people like you specially converted talk big, we the innocent hindus can only laugh. According to me the way you have inflicted cruelty, we Indians have not pay back even 1%. Because we are really good.
Christian countries fought WW1 & 2 and not hindu extremists. How many people killed? 10 Crores - so innocent are you christians.
Now read your European history. In 14th centure till 18th Centure, Whenever a scott use to marry, English Lords use to deflower his wife the first night,means English Lord use to sleep with his newly wedded wife instead of the Scott groom. Christians aparthaied laws is known to all. When people like you specially converted talk big, we the innocent hindus can only laugh. According to me the way you have inflicted cruelty, we Indians have not pay back even 1%. Because we are really good.
W Mathew Religious tolerance in India is far better now because lesser numbers of Muslims, Sikhs and Christians are killed by extremist Hindus!! Hndu-Muslim fights have not taken place recently (where normally 1000s are killed). India is religiously secure now!! (at least until another communal violence -like in Orissa) takes place!!
